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uh good morning everyone i'm really glad

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to see you here and i know people will

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be trickling in the food will be

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available until they clear the table at

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ten o'clock so don't hesitate to get

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some more get some more coffee the

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coffee and water will stay

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throughout the morning

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i'm sharon gratto

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growl endowed chair at the university of

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dayton and professor of music

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and it's a great pleasure to get started

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this morning in this way with the panel

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of some of the most famous [ __ ] names in

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this city

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and around the united states and

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elsewhere

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and see i have a couple of announcements

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i didn't write them down and that's

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probably a serious problem but i'm going

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to see if i can remember them

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there are plenty of programs outside if

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you didn't get one coming in if you're

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not a presenter and gets a folder

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and i encourage you all to mix and match

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and find out who's here and talk to

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people

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we have a lot

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on the agenda for these couple of days

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we started last night at the neon

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theater with a showing of summer of

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seoul we had about 60 people there it

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was really great

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and there were there was at least one

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african-american

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person in the audience who never heard

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of the harlem festival in 1969

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and he it's not because he's too young

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either he's he's old enough to occur

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about it it's something that no one so

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many people don't know about so if you

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haven't seen that film i highly

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recommend that you

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look at it on hulu or

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wherever else it's available it's a

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great documentary with some incredible

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film footage from 1969 and the huge

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festival in harlem in harlem new york

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um the

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event tonight is featuring the keynote

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speaker unfortunately ricky vince and dr

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ricky vincent from california had a

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serious health emergency about a week

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and a half ago he is okay i'm glad to

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say that and he will be giving his

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address virtually tonight

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it will be in this room not in the

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marshall room um those of you who are

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still here we will serve food in the

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marshall room but the presentation will

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be here in here because the technology

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is better for doing a zoom call

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and we have a couple of other presenters

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that have had to do go on zoom as well

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and for various reasons one had surgery

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one has a new baby she doesn't want to

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bring you here um covenant has has kept

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people away and so we have a couple of

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zoom presentations spread out over the

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three days

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tomorrow night is the line dance party

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with our great djs providing music for

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all meal times and at the symposium

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stand the man brooks

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and he will also be participating in the

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show at the

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schuster center with the dayton

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philharmonic and the defunct all-stars

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on saturday night

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and um

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so that's friday night also here in the

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cafeteria from seven to ten with

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instruction from seven to eight and then

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open and dancing from eight to ten with

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some wonderful community

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line dance instructors who are going to

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be there and help you up just by easing

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up next to you and showing you what to

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do if you're not having a good time

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trying to do it because this is more

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than the electric slide we've gone

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beyond that

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it's not a wedding reception folks it's

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a real line dance party

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saturday we have two big events saturday

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night starting with the funk center

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reception which is also at the shuster

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from 6 to 7 30

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introduce the new educational tool the

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thunk box which i know you all want to

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see

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and then the dayton philharmonic concert

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which begins at 8

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and you will see a number of people

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whose faces are around this room at that

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concert we will be recognizing from the

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audience many of the thunk stars who

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will be there and um

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enjoying the concert and

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having not not having to perform they

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get to enjoy the musics hear some of

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their hit tunes and um

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it's just going to be a wonderful event

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the dayton philharmonic is funded by the

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defunct all-stars

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and lots of big names will be in front

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of you on the stage

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i'm going to be on the stage too but i'm

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not one of those big names

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so um if you have any questions about

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anything um if you know people who

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should be here who are not here yet uh

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we have some things to sell uh we have

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at least two books for sale now ricky

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vincent's book and um another book that

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was brought in this morning philip bass

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is supposed to bring his book

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about funk music and so those things

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will be available to you in your folders

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those of you who are presenting actually

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i should have brought some extra flyers

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there's a funk friend in georgia some of

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you may know him i don't know him but

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um can i borrow that a second thank you

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um harry macleod founder and ceo of this

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company the fondant

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funk don't expire t-shirt which my

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husband and i will be modeling um

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probably tomorrow not today

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and um

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he would you can get these online we're

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not selling t-shirts i found out doing

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this symposium that i'm more than just a

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music educator in higher ed and more

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than just a musician in general i am an

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admin a ticket arranger a seller of

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books and other things i have new jobs

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that i told my dean i'm the highest paid

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staff member at the university of dayton

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because that's what i've been doing more

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of than my regular work that i really

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enjoy doing

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i had one other important thing to say

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oh i know what i did the most important

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thing at all to tell you who these

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people are

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first of all i have to i have to point

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out my very wonderful colleague john

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mccomb who has stepped in at the last

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minute

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to lead conversation at the film last

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night and also to moderate this panel uh

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which ricky vincent and scott brown were

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supposed to do

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uh scott brown is coming

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by the way too he's his parents are very

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ill they were in the hospital his father

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had surgery yesterday

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i hoping that because this event has

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been postponed three times that we don't

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have continuing uh challenges to keep

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going we're gonna keep going and scott's

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arriving tomorrow so he will be here

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in person he was ready to do everything

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virtual even to step in for ricky vinson

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everything seems to be working out so

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john mccone is a hero

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and my other colleague from english

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tom morgan was also there last night

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talking about the film he stepped in at

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the last minute and we have great names

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here great people now the first one tony

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allen of course has computer problems

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his name his bio and photo are not in

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the program

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here's his photo if you want to see it i

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got it now

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he was born

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also known as silky i didn't know that

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whoa born in dayton ohio multi-talented

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entertainer producer

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multi-instrumentalist product specialist

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technical advisor writer band leader of

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the dayton funk all-stars he's the

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founder of the dayton folk all-star so

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he's under underwriting himself

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has been in the industry for 50 years

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graduate of roland and yamaha digital

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he has a whole list of credits

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he's a jimi hendrix impersonator

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i this is really interesting production

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manager the dayton black cultural

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festival production manager for gospel

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superfest trainer for roland corporation

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music store tech he's multilingual my

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goodness that's impressive

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and i think he didn't give me this stuff

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ahead of time so he i can read it out

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loud because

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because i'm not reading the other ones

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to you they're in the book and they're

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pictured

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that's why that happened i really

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actually his picture is in the book

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because it's his piece pictured and

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listed with the defunct all-stars in the

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back so you can find his picture on

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there he's in the front of the band

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anyway any questions we have students

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around the helpers and i'm here to help

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and remember you can have food and drink

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till 10 o'clock and then coffee and

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water afterwards i hope you have a great

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time this is an all-star panel all-stars

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keith harrison tony allen carrie

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sorry i knew that's why i have to have

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go for it john thank you

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can you all hear me

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thank you so much thank you sharon thank

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you to our panels thank you all for

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as sharon said i am not dr ricky vincent

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i could never possibly be i am a fill-in

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but i was so excited when sharon invited

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me to step in because this happened two

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years ago there was something that

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happened and i ended up chairing a

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session and it was a really wonderful

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part of my education

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i'm an english professor but i teach

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courses in popular music but i am very

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much a student of funk and so i'm here

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to listen and to learn uh and hear the

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stories from our wonderful panelists

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so this session is called looking back

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at david fong history

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and i thought the place to begin

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would be just to hear a few minutes from

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each of our panelists um sharon has

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already introduced tony allen and i had

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a brief intro

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i won't do the whole program

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introduction but maybe i'll do a brief

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intro for each of our panelists and i've

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asked them to just maybe talk for about

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five minutes

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just to say a little bit about their

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personal and professional histories and

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how that relates to

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dayton funk history and anything else

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that they would like to share with the

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i will have questions for the panel but

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i know that you will too so maybe i'll

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before the q a starts and then we'll

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sort of open it up to the audience and

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uh that's the plan does that sound good

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gentlemen yes

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so we will go in alphabetical order by

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last name and since sharon has already

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introduced tony allen that makes it a

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little bit easier we'll begin with with

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tony

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yes sir

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and you have a microphone you're like to

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move that able to move that closer to

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you do you like

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well once again i'm tony allen

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graduate of dunbar in that class of

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1973.

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my music education started at roosevelt

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high school in

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1969 under the

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properties of donald sutton mr don

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sutton he's heading to the music union

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right here in dayton ohio

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um

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i started out as a tuba player

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and i transferred to dunbar and

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became a trumpet player because they

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didn't even tuba player i also was

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privileged to march with the

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pythagoreans under the direction of mr

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james diamond williams

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at an early age

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um

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i worked in the music store industry for

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25 years before going to

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the music manufacturing industry i'm

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also the designer and hold the patent of

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the first

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interchangeable neck base that was

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created by st louis music in 1984

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i have many awards as far as my

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accomplishments far as my

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production and design

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i went to school in roland in yamaha

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digital to learn digital technology

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in the early stages of it i'm very

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adverse in sequencing sampling

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and all the aspects of music

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from the stage from lighting to

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anything that it takes to get going

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running in studios from analog to

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digital technology

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i play

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various amounts of instruments i've been

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a jimi hendrix impersonator for 29 years

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i've toured the world i speak

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a couple different languages especially

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japanese i'm pretty fluent

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i grew up around all these guys

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they're my family and my brothers

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growing up in dayton ohio um

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i have to say it's the most blessed

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thing because when i grew up all these

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bands and all these guys were on

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different streets all over and we just

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go straight to street and check out the

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different vans so

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um

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that's pretty much about me okay

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so tony just a question i'll probably

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ask every member of the panel

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when you heard about this event when you

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were invited to take part what is the

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first thing that came to mind

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[Music]

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i like to be a part of it

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i like to be a part of it um and

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especially with my conrad um

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and i thought it was pretty exciting um

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this has been a basically a two-year

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undertaking for the development of this

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with sharon and neal

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uh

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many cancellations because of the coding

362
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but i think we're overcoming this and

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we're looking forward to a great show on

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saturday night

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uh we're gonna try to um i'm gonna say

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we're gonna try

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i'm gonna say

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we're gonna produce this thing very well

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and represent

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all the music that was gathered

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with a lot of hits from all the various

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artists

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when i first put defunct together in 19

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in 2020 it was 2000

375
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funk wasn't really funking kind of like

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start diminishing amongst the scene

377
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because of the rap

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but

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we put defunct together

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putting the group together um

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under the assumption that we wanted to

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do all dayton music

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and as time went on by at least by 2004

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folks started resurging

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uh radio stations started popping up

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with old school stations so it can just

387
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kind of fell in our hands of what we do

388
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i've always kept the faith about the

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dating music because

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most of all my favorite songs

391
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come from my friends so

392
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uh i i'm an old schooler to the max i

393
00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:10,959
love old school music and um

394
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that's my life i think old school music

395
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is what we call reminisce music when you

396
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hear a song it just takes you somewhere

397
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most of the time i hear a song or i'll

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listen to the radio i listen to stan's

399
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playing i say oh man that's when i

400
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listen today i get the old school

401
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station i think about

402
00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:31,040
i'm just like i'm listening to video in

403
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my front room so if you guys don't know

404
00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,279
what wdao was

405
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um it was one of the greatest radio

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stations that helped surge all these

407
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groups out of dayton ohio

408
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well thank you for keeping the legacy of

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the music alive tonight and i'm making

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notes here you're a dunbar high school

411
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graduate yes sir hear from the others

412
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but well next year from keith harrison

413
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and just a short intro for mr harrison

414
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keith was a founding member of faiso

415
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later joined heat wave from the jazz

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band

417
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in his career keith has performed across

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the u.s and europe in addition to his

419
00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,519
work as a producer arranger and

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songwriter so it's my pleasure to

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introduce keith harrison thank

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you as he had mentioned uh my roots in

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music started

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out very young age i grew up on a farm

425
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and

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we

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had a high school band called the

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medallions

429
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stay in that's popping up back there

430
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because stanley played drunk from school

431
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uh and when i say back in the day and

432
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i'm not ashamed of my age i'm 70 years

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old so uh and blessed to still be able

434
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to do this

435
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but um

436
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growing up um

437
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you know in jefferson township

438
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it was a small community but we were all

439
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family

440
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and uh the medallions they had a thing

441
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back in the day called the showway

442
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and this is a flatbed pulled by a

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trailer or truck that would go around

444
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and you could perform on it at different

445
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parks and schools

446
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and they would have talent shows and

447
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uh medallions became very popular during

448
00:16:12,959 --> 00:16:18,240
that time playing to the third rounds

449
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so uh some of the guys in without if we

450
00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:23,519
went on to become phase three and then

451
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phase up

452
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in our journey faison we were getting

453
00:16:25,839 --> 00:16:28,079
ready to

454
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pack up

455
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and go to the atl atlanta

456
00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:38,639
to hook up with tara's productions and

457
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we were playing uh at the post tape ball

458
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which was

459
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at

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waffles arena

461
00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:47,040
for those of you who are around my age

462
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probably known consent

463
00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,600
and clarence statue of the ohio players

464
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was there and he saw us

465
00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,560
and he approached us and

466
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he said hey i got 24 000 and i want to

467
00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,959
take the guys in the studio

468
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so we were like wow

469
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he said if you're interested in my house

470
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tomorrow so uh we we had a horn section

471
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and the horn section wanted to go to

472
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atlantis man

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not feeling it so they went on

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and uh we stayed

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in the rest is history we went in the

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studio

477
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uh and recorded our our first

478
00:17:23,439 --> 00:17:28,960
big record called ryan high

479
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and we did two more albums

480
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i was phased over 10 years after 10

481
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years i decided to step out of the group

482
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and within weeks time i was called by a

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gateway group that had boogie nights

484
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always and forever

485
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hooked up with those guys

486
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did

487
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two albums

488
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with them

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but i wasn't able to write because they

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had

491
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rob templeton who was writing all the

492
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material and johnny wilder was writing

493
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material

494
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and i said johnny man i'm a writer you

495
00:18:03,919 --> 00:18:09,520
know i can't stay here so

496
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as we're in europe recording the last

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record there he went current i get a

498
00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,720
call from a guy in cleveland named skit

499
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martin who was the lead singer and

500
00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,440
trumpeter for the jazz band and they

501
00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:24,320
were looking for another keyboard singer

502
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a keyboard player and he told the group

503
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he said we can get two for one cause

504
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he's insane too

505
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so i flew straight from london to

506
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cleveland into the studio

507
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and i've been with the dad's band ever

508
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since and we're still going so it's a

509
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blessing

510
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but

511
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music for me has been a joy at 18 i

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asked my mother i said mama no god gave

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00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,039
me a gift but is there anybody else in

514
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the family in this musical

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and she said come here boy and she sat

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down behind a piano

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and she opened up the hymnbook and she

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started reading and playing

519
00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:04,240
and i said what

520
00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:07,039
i cried like a baby i don't know if it

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was tears or anger or tears of joy and i

522
00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:11,200
said why she said well your father

523
00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:13,760
didn't want you to be in music and told

524
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:16,480
me never to let you know

525
00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:18,799
so i would say my father was a driving

526
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,520
force that kept me in music because i

527
00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:24,080
turned down a football scholarship

528
00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,480
to pursue music just to prove to him

529
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that i could make it

530
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,160
yeah i'm today

531
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you know about the grace of god so

532
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:35,120
it's pretty much

533
00:19:31,919 --> 00:19:36,640
the history of my my career you know

534
00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:39,520
i've done uh

535
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,840
sprite jingles coca-cola jingles in the

536
00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:44,000
80s i did all the music to the daytona

537
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,600
show when they were

538
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,640
televising and

539
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,480
uh

540
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,760
a world travel

541
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,880
i've

542
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,840
been on uh soul train i've been on

543
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,080
a

544
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,039
solid goal for those who remember solid

545
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,480
gold

546
00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:01,360
uh

547
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:03,600
some of them i've been on winfrey also

548
00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:05,440
uh as as a

549
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,919
musician for hire

550
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:10,880
i also played

551
00:20:07,919 --> 00:20:13,039
with the ohio players on a tour in japan

552
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,799
i also played with more standing time

553
00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:16,240
band

554
00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:19,280
so

555
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:21,200
i played with a group called loki out of

556
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,799
kansas city as well

557
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,280
and so

558
00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:27,679
the track goes on still writing i'm

559
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,360
still producing

560
00:20:27,679 --> 00:20:30,240
still performing

561
00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:34,600
and

562
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,600
the knees are a little weak but

563
00:20:41,679 --> 00:20:46,480
so just a quick question uh mr allen was

564
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,000
talking about the resurgence of funk

565
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,720
after he it seemed to recede a little

566
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,000
bit as ralph became more popular

567
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,600
did you believe that there would be a

568
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,640
resurgence how did you feel about that

569
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:58,240
one uh

570
00:20:54,640 --> 00:21:01,440
i never i never believed that uh

571
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:04,880
our music would ever go away

572
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:06,799
i think you know music is like a cycle

573
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,679
and then what you found raptors were

574
00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:10,640
starting to sample our music

575
00:21:09,679 --> 00:21:13,120
and

576
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:16,480
actually getting bands now

577
00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:18,880
to to play behind them so uh it's kind

578
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:21,679
of kept the the people who abandoned us

579
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,880
was directly on stage like exactly and

580
00:21:21,679 --> 00:21:26,080
and the record store because

581
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:27,760
everything's social media now so uh you

582
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:31,440
know you have to sell your music on

583
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:33,760
social media down people our age uh

584
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:36,080
they're not too technical when it comes

585
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,360
to downloading and you know they don't

586
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,919
want to go through all that they want to

587
00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:41,760
go through a breaking story buy your

588
00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:44,000
product even

589
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:47,520
cds was challenging for

590
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:50,159
you know so uh but uh i i feel it was

591
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,240
you know some stations that let us down

592
00:21:50,159 --> 00:21:55,280
uh and that's why our music is still

593
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:58,080
going because we never stop

594
00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:01,840
thank you thank you so much

595
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:04,000
our next panelist is mr carrie rutledge

596
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,320
and again this is the short short bio

597
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,400
but in 1972 carrie appeared on the

598
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,080
second solo album by a young artist that

599
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,520
you may have heard of named michael

600
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,760
jackson

601
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,600
who was already very famous at that time

602
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,440
and later carrie appeared on other

603
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,360
number of other major label albums

604
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:22,400
including his own debut solo album in

605
00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:24,159
1982 and today carrie is the founder and

606
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,640
president of the dayton music hall of

607
00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:28,320
fame so i'd like to welcome carrie

608
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,520
rutledge

609
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,440
everybody

610
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,280
good morning

611
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,320
like you said my name is kerry jaggy boy

612
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:38,320
rutledge i graduated from dunbar high

613
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,400
school in 72

614
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,559
a year before tony and

615
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,919
i started my musical journey

616
00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:46,240
actually

617
00:22:43,919 --> 00:22:48,559
at dunbar because i went to i was in the

618
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,520
eighth grade at miami chapel and they

619
00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:53,440
had a

620
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:56,960
talent show at dunbar so we were allowed

621
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:59,200
to go to dunbar to see the talent show

622
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,559
so i was there with me and a couple of

623
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,559
colleagues and we were watching this

624
00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:04,799
talent show and all of a sudden this

625
00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:08,960
group came on and all the girls just

626
00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:08,960
come up to the stage and i'm like

627
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,240
they were kids from my neighborhood that

628
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,880
i hadn't seen in years and they were

629
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:27,600
superstars to me at that time like jesus

630
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,640
the bad bunch what is this right

631
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,240
so

632
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,200
from that point on

633
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,200
i guess

634
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:36,080
when i trying to become a member of some

635
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:38,320
kind of successful group and um that's

636
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,720
what happened we ended up uh boiling a

637
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:43,120
group called the four quarters back then

638
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:46,000
they asked me to be a part of that which

639
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:49,120
turned into me the group platypus that

640
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,799
i got my first recording deal with in 79

641
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:52,080
on casablanca

642
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:55,200
and

643
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:57,520
we were able to go to california

644
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,120
because michael jackson had did a song

645
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,760
written by the group

646
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:04,480
and we went to california i was able to

647
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,480
work in the industry as a young man

648
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,840
coming up for years worked closely with

649
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,039
barry gordy and his family and stevie

650
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,200
wonder

651
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,440
all of the motown people was just we're

652
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:18,080
all like a big creative family out there

653
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,840
at that time and i was a kid so i've

654
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,320
been at it

655
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,799
all my life i guess you could say

656
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:27,120
so what happened from that point is we

657
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:28,480
had the first platypus record

658
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:31,279
which actually we're going to be

659
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,279
performing one of the songs insanity of

660
00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:35,520
tony and everybody else

661
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:36,480
at the uh schuster center

662
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,720
and

663
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,200
after doing that

664
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,640
we toured the world we did a lot of work

665
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,600
all over the country all over the

666
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,559
country everywhere

667
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,320
and

668
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:49,440
just kept going just trying to go

669
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,919
forward

670
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,760
once uh platypus lost the record deal

671
00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:55,840
the company closed down

672
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,400
i started a thing called jackie boyd and

673
00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,720
backwards with my local friends here and

674
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:03,360
was able to get a deal on sale so

675
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,200
records and uh we did that for a while

676
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:08,159
and then i got another deal with

677
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:12,880
atlantic records and i did that for uh

678
00:25:08,159 --> 00:25:12,880
until atlantic all of that went away so

679
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,799
not a bunch to say other than i've been

680
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,240
at it for a long time i've been blessed

681
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:20,880
in this business

682
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,679
um i guess i'm one of the guys tony can

683
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,279
tell you when i moved to atlanta he came

684
00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:27,360
down here i was against the whole guy

685
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:30,000
doing hip hop as you can see with all

686
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:32,400
these youngest it was amazing to me

687
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,799
but what i realized that even in the

688
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,360
beginning of hip-hop they always looked

689
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:38,880
at us it's like oh you guys you guys you

690
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:40,000
guys know how to play an instrument i'm

691
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,440
like yeah

692
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,520
and they didn't know anything about

693
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,679
planned music all of that was coming

694
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,760
away from schools and they were doing

695
00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:50,080
something that we didn't know about

696
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,760
sampling they was taking our stuff

697
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,080
cutting it up changing it and doing it

698
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:58,000
and making millions of dollars redoing

699
00:25:54,080 --> 00:26:00,000
the music and samples and uh like

700
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,919
you mentioned that we got a company

701
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,159
called uh david's alabama one of the

702
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:05,760
things we highlight is a thing called

703
00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:08,559
sample city

704
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:11,039
and in sample city we show all of the

705
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:13,440
dayton groups with record deals and all

706
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:15,279
the people who sample the groups and

707
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,080
it's so elaborate

708
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:20,559
this man right here

709
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:23,200
a list this long and all the people has

710
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:25,760
made millions of dollars selling their

711
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,120
record you know sampling it's just

712
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,200
unbelievable

713
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,880
but um that's that's where i'm at here

714
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,799
and i'm glad to be here i thank

715
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,360
everybody that's here

716
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:39,120
and uh hope everybody enjoys the weekend

717
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:41,760
and we'll have a good time thank you

718
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:43,360
so a question for you um i work with

719
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,200
someone in the honors program as a roth

720
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,320
high school graduate okay so she said

721
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,159
you've got to find out where people went

722
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,679
to high school so we've got two dunbar

723
00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:50,400
graduates on this panel so far that i

724
00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:52,159
know

725
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,640
can you talk about your experience of

726
00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:57,039
what the music programs were like in the

727
00:26:54,640 --> 00:27:00,159
schools and and how that may have shaped

728
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:00,960
the the dating sound i i say this very

729
00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:02,480
very

730
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,400
confidently

731
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,880
i think that the dayton sound and all

732
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,960
these guys that made records

733
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,880
were successful because of really a

734
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,039
couple of things in our lives back as

735
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,640
kids first of all

736
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:16,320
our parents

737
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,080
supported us

738
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,159
everybody was in the basements

739
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,160
everybody's parents was there and the

740
00:27:20,159 --> 00:27:22,240
amazing thing is

741
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,039
[Music]

742
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,520
some of our teachers were our managers

743
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:30,080
so we had we had support and that was

744
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:33,039
that was what was needed to go forward

745
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,600
as we had support from our peers their

746
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:37,440
own parents our teachers and that made

747
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,120
all the difference in the world when you

748
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,120
you're trying to do something and your

749
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:44,240
teacher's saying hey that's great man

750
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:44,240
come to class tomorrow

751
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:48,559
you know your mother and your your

752
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,399
father is the manager you know hey guys

753
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:51,279
down in the basement we got a kid coming

754
00:27:50,399 --> 00:27:54,080
up

755
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:56,480
so that was a big part of i believe the

756
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,120
success of uh the daily music scene to

757
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,840
be honest that's just my thought

758
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,799
thank you so

759
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:06,480
much so

760
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:09,440
our final panelist is ray turner

761
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,760
and ray was a key member of slave he

762
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:14,480
also currently owns and operates marinda

763
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,480
studios where he composes and records

764
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,799
music for film and television

765
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,039
and ray also continues to play locally

766
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:23,360
live and on a wide range of venues so it

767
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:24,680
is my pleasure to introduce mr ray

768
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:27,910
turner

769
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,910
[Applause]

770
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:33,360
pretty much like uh everyone else here i

771
00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:35,279
am

772
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:37,520
well i attended roosevelt high school

773
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:37,520
okay

774
00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:45,360
but uh my music

775
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,960
things started when i was five years old

776
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,000
my parents pretty much they started me

777
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:53,279
with classical music and i

778
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,840
pretty much playing there i attended uh

779
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:57,760
edison high denison elementary school

780
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,480
where i ran into

781
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,799
mr charles spencer he was my

782
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,640
instructor there in edison

783
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:07,039
and then later when i went to high tech

784
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,120
school i attended roth high school for

785
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:11,760
only one week

786
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,840
and it was because of

787
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,679
spencer found out that i was there and

788
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,320
immediately had me transferred to

789
00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:18,320
roosevelt

790
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:27,200
but anyway while i was at roosevelt i

791
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,440
was able to uh come in contact with a

792
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,919
lot of great teachers uh

793
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,919
charles spencer donald sutton donald

794
00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:35,440
hubbard clarence walls

795
00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:37,760
derek floyd

796
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,440
walter julie morrison and then my cousin

797
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,480
william smith

798
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,480
so

799
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,559
while i was there i was able to do a lot

800
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,799
of things as far as playing out playing

801
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:50,799
with various groups matter of fact one

802
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:52,720
of the girls was up the four corners

803
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:55,760
we used to do a lot of high school

804
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,679
talent shows and that sort of thing and

805
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,520
that was a lot of fun

806
00:29:57,679 --> 00:30:01,919
but uh while at

807
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,440
wright state university

808
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:05,679
my teacher

809
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,880
i told her one day that i wasn't really

810
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:09,200
happy

811
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,840
and she suggested well why don't you try

812
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,600
and look at another school so

813
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,480
ironically she mentioned the school that

814
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,480
was in boston berkeley

815
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,159
unfortunately i didn't go for it i

816
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,399
decided to go

817
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:24,960
and start playing professionally

818
00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:27,679
so as a result uh some of the places

819
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,360
that i started doing was in the church

820
00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:31,840
and some of the churches that i played

821
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,640
for was a little forced uh coral

822
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,640
ensemble under dr moses keller

823
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,480
resident park united methodist church

824
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,720
been there for two years

825
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,360
uh phillips temple cme church up there

826
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,360
for 17 years at ginghamsburg church i

827
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,960
was there for two years

828
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,000
at lighthouse community i was there

829
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,919
before

830
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,399
at wright patterson air force base

831
00:30:49,919 --> 00:30:54,720
chapter 3 i was there for four years

832
00:30:52,399 --> 00:30:56,320
at christian life center i was there for

833
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,039
four years doing

834
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,480
matter of fact doing uh three services

835
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,320
every sunday

836
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,000
back to back

837
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,320
and then at new season ministry i've

838
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,440
been there now for 14 years

839
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,720
and then as far as bands uh

840
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,640
there's about

841
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,600
five different bands that span at the

842
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,760
top

843
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,720
one is donnie pearson she's a very

844
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,760
well-known uh gospel voters played for

845
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,279
her for

846
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,919
for a while

847
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:26,080
topaz we were um

848
00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:27,840
one of the few groups that actually did

849
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,960
jazz fusion that came out of david

850
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,960
behind

851
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:34,399
there was no other groups doing that at

852
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:36,320
that time and then you have uh

853
00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:39,440
john wagner

854
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,360
who played with son slash overnight love

855
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,880
slash

856
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,039
i don't know how many names they went

857
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,039
through

858
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:50,799
but i played with them

859
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:52,000
and then lastly but not least slave

860
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:54,559
and uh

861
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,360
slave was quite an experience because at

862
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:59,200
the time i wasn't really

863
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,120
planning on going out with the group

864
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,360
they just happened to practice a block

865
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,880
away from me in the garage and i just

866
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,080
went down and been standing there

867
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,679
watching them

868
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,600
next thing you know that they asked me

869
00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:10,880
how would you like to join us and sure

870
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,340
next thing you know

871
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,600
i'm gonna

872
00:32:12,340 --> 00:32:15,840
[Music]

873
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,919
inside of a van headed for east orange

874
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,679
new jersey had no idea that we were

875
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:22,559
going to get to a place

876
00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:23,919
that was only 2 000 square feet and you

877
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:26,799
had

878
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:29,760
a 10 piece band plus a mother and father

879
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:32,880
that was already there and [ __ ] and his

880
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,880
sisters and a dog

881
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,559
all this and saw this one big house and

882
00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:40,240
we used to practice in the living room

883
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:43,440
so as soon as you come to the house

884
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:46,000
there was all of our equipment

885
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:49,519
so that was quite an experience but i

886
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:52,399
did that for x number of years and

887
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:53,600
i look back i can't say it was good and

888
00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:56,960
bad but

889
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,960
thank god the experience of as they say

890
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:02,000
what doesn't kill you makes you stronger

891
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,200
so it'll allow me to grow up so

892
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,519
but that's

893
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,279
that's it

894
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:08,960
so just a quick question and then we'll

895
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:10,720
open it up to the audience but can you

896
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,480
talk a little bit about your life as a

897
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,080
touring musician what that was like for

898
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,080
you and some of the things that you may

899
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,000
have experienced

900
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:21,679
um

901
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,519
touring was a lot of fun with the group

902
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:25,360
i could tell you some of the good things

903
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:26,960
i could tell you some of the i tell you

904
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,200
one of the bad things one of the worst

905
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,640
things that ever happened uh we had this

906
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,679
tour bus

907
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,120
and

908
00:33:31,679 --> 00:33:38,159
somebody clocked up the toilet

909
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,159
that was not fun

910
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,159
the touring park was a lot but we had a

911
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,080
lot of chance to

912
00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:58,559
be with various groups

913
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,919
santana we did a show up at the spectrum

914
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:02,640
in

915
00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:05,120
in philadelphia which was really kind of

916
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,960
ironic because after we opened the show

917
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,480
everybody else walked off

918
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,760
but i was standing there on the side

919
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,480
just

920
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,480
oh wow

921
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:16,800
am i ready to drop the bike can i go

922
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,800
with you guys

923
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:20,480
okay they were just unbelievable but

924
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,520
yeah we've had a

925
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,560
very good

926
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,879
as far as a slave it was quite an

927
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,280
experience i mean to work with such a

928
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:30,639
talented group of people and uh it's

929
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,560
funny

930
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:36,399
later when we added on

931
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,079
steve harrington

932
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:40,159
and see that

933
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:41,280
when they came on board it changed the

934
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,560
dynamics

935
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,560
totally

936
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,280
all of a sudden it took on a whole

937
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,989
different experience we started writing

938
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,159
songs that was more about

939
00:34:48,989 --> 00:34:52,639
[Music]

940
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,760
that tell a story other than just a

941
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,240
groove

942
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,320
which is originally what our stuff was

943
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:59,839
just about through slide

944
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,640
if you listen to the lyrics it makes

945
00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:04,640
absolutely no sense

946
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,720
but later we started but when we did

947
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,400
just a touch of love all of a sudden the

948
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:10,560
songs became

949
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,079
lyrical right and then they told the

950
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,240
story

951
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:16,000
so that's pretty much how it was on the

952
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:18,160
road i mean it was

953
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:21,040
ups and downs more of i'm trying to

954
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,640
focus on the ups and down stuff

955
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,599
well you ended with a positive right so

956
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,440
that's

957
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:27,040
great and i will tell my co-worker jill

958
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,839
talley who's the roth graduate that you

959
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,359
spent a week there she'll be happier

960
00:35:28,839 --> 00:35:34,160
yeah by the way jill is the third custom

961
00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:34,160
of steve harrington

962
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,200
so um

963
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,359
again thank you to our panel we have

964
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,040
about 10 minutes left and so love to

965
00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:44,920
have some questions from the audience if

966
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,920
you have i'm sure you do

967
00:35:49,740 --> 00:35:52,840
[Music]

968
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,599
of some of the great

969
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:03,520
artists that came out of things ohio

970
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:05,920
and now she dined it over there and a

971
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:09,280
lot of his people

972
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:12,640
have left us but we've also had

973
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,640
people that wasn't as famous

974
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,760
and get a replacement

975
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,440
to go into the national band can you

976
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,839
just dwell on some of the losses that

977
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,200
we've had i know we've just had uh

978
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:33,040
shelby's just

979
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,320
the latest of them but there's been so

980
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,560
many

981
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,320
some of the famous and some of them some

982
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,800
of the ones that maybe a lot of people

983
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,800
may not know about

984
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:50,160
okay i'm going to start with um

985
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,240
we had a gentleman that was very popular

986
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,400
in west state and i don't want to get

987
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:57,440
you off guard with this

988
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,560
his name we used to call him little woo

989
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,160
okay

990
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:03,440
and he was

991
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:06,320
he was kind of like a local legend

992
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:10,160
he was around on the uh

993
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:13,280
the growth of the ohio players um

994
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,880
when they were called the untouchables

995
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,560
robert ward

996
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:21,359
who was uh a very great guitar player i

997
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,480
don't think if it wasn't for robert

998
00:37:21,359 --> 00:37:24,480
um

999
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,200
diamond would have to elaborate on that

1000
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,760
but

1001
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:30,240
he had a lot to do with the

1002
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,839
the coming together of the ohio players

1003
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:34,400
robert ward

1004
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:34,400
and um

1005
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:41,040
you know there's so many of them um i

1006
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,320
think if you come to the concert on

1007
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,280
saturday

1008
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,359
um

1009
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,880
the concert will speak for itself i

1010
00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:48,240
don't want to let anything out of the

1011
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,480
bag but

1012
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:52,560
we're not going to forget anybody at

1013
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,119
least we're trying not

1014
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:59,280
to forget anybody that um

1015
00:37:55,119 --> 00:38:02,480
that has moved on that has um

1016
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:06,240
helped his legacy for our city to fund

1017
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,440
its drive one of the greatest names

1018
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:10,320
um

1019
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,000
if you i mean if you really follow funk

1020
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,400
and you know anything about dayton

1021
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,800
history and his name came up once i

1022
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,760
believe ray might have mentioned it

1023
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,200
walter julie morrison he was kind of

1024
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,520
like uh

1025
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,400
he's kind of like the godfather of funk

1026
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,720
he

1027
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,880
he was the guy that kind of perfected

1028
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,320
the one behind james brown in a

1029
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,760
different way

1030
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:37,520
and he was a genius within himself his

1031
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:40,880
skills his musical talent his writing

1032
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:44,320
uh his technology he was he was way out

1033
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:46,640
there he was basically dating ohio ernie

1034
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,240
warrell if you know bernie morale

1035
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,200
from the p fund

1036
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,119
um

1037
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,320
junie was a

1038
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:56,960
great input in our community

1039
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,560
he did a lot from roosevelt high school

1040
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,480
through

1041
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,200
mr spencer

1042
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,640
uh mr spencer and donald sutton

1043
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,079
were

1044
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:10,240
pretty much the the um the glue

1045
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:13,040
which most of the entertainers like mark

1046
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,720
woods and junie and a bunch of these

1047
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,720
groups they all kind of went through

1048
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:18,720
spencer or sutton

1049
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:20,960
now i'm not going to forget about roth

1050
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:22,000
because i want to say one thing about

1051
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,960
roth

1052
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,480
back in the 70s rob had the greatest

1053
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,280
talent shows

1054
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,119
that

1055
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,920
you know everybody wanted to go to ross

1056
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:33,920
and be in the talent show but i mean

1057
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,079
that's about it i had to let these guys

1058
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,760
other guys speak on um

1059
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:41,110
i'm sure they've got they've got some

1060
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,320
people they want them into

1061
00:39:41,110 --> 00:39:43,920
[Music]

1062
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,800
um

1063
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,720
like i said earlier in my career when i

1064
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,599
was at that talent show and i saw these

1065
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:53,440
two guys that i recognized for the first

1066
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:56,160
time in senior years

1067
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,720
one of his name was david turner and the

1068
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,720
other guy was thomas shelby

1069
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:02,640
now thomas shelby

1070
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:05,280
and dave ohio was a legend everybody

1071
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:08,400
knew who shelby was he seemed to be in

1072
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,359
everybody's group he was the guy right

1073
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,359
so

1074
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:13,200
ironically

1075
00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:14,000
at least about a couple weeks at this

1076
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,400
point

1077
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,400
we lost david turner who was one of the

1078
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,079
guys that got me going in the business

1079
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,920
because i grew up with him and all of a

1080
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:22,960
sudden i saw him on stage for the first

1081
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,839
time

1082
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,720
and thomas shelby his younger brother

1083
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:30,160
passed they died two days apart about a

1084
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:32,720
week or so now

1085
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:35,599
will shelby who was actually one of the

1086
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:37,920
musical legends out of this city

1087
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:39,680
there's only two people that i know

1088
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,040
anybody can correct me

1089
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:45,440
that has a diamond achievement as far as

1090
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,520
selling records that means you sold 10

1091
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,400
million records and you have the plaques

1092
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:53,440
showing that you've got a diamond plaque

1093
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,200
will shelby has one and stevie shockley

1094
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,319
has one those are the only two people

1095
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,000
out of all the gold and diamond recorded

1096
00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:01,040
golden platinum records here in this

1097
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,119
city

1098
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:06,170
and uh those people

1099
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:13,249
we just we just lost him recently

1100
00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:13,249
[Music]

1101
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:20,000
um

1102
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:20,880
yeah as far as with slaves you know we

1103
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,520
we

1104
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,880
suffered a number of losses we had uh

1105
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:28,079
mark adams

1106
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,079
mark drakkins

1107
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:36,000
danny danny webster

1108
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:38,319
he passed away uh recently there was a a

1109
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,920
guy by the name of um

1110
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:43,440
i get i forget his name because i didn't

1111
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,440
really work with him he was a drummer

1112
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:47,760
he was a drummer i used to be the

1113
00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:51,280
drummer with the group but anyway they

1114
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:53,359
all passed away and tragically uh

1115
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,440
the reasons why they pass could have

1116
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:56,720
been avoided

1117
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,400
and i

1118
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:00,000
i don't know if

1119
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,760
if you can blame them or blame the

1120
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,560
people around them when you see

1121
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,599
somebody's in trouble i mean try to step

1122
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,440
in

1123
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:09,680
but uh

1124
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:13,200
those have really taken the biggest toll

1125
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,880
with me uh now there is one other death

1126
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,359
but it has nothing to do with funk and

1127
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,760
it kind of really messed me up because i

1128
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:22,319
had just spoken with the person

1129
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,680
i had attended the the virtual nam

1130
00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:25,680
convention

1131
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,599
and i just talked with chick corea and

1132
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,640
then all of a sudden

1133
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,960
just

1134
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,960
weeks

1135
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,920
i've lost two uh

1136
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,880
music

1137
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,160
artists

1138
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,880
writers

1139
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,880
performers

1140
00:42:54,720 --> 00:43:00,720
our lead singer faisal robert neal jr

1141
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,319
known as bill pass this year

1142
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:04,160
and

1143
00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:06,480
he and i were just

1144
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,480
starting to work on some new phase of

1145
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,480
material

1146
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,760
when he passed

1147
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,880
and uh that was a hard blow for me

1148
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,560
because

1149
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,920
you know we were we were like brothers

1150
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:22,240
we were family and uh

1151
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,880
we prayed together

1152
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:27,440
we broke bread together

1153
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,960
uh we talk every day

1154
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,920
back and forth

1155
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:34,079
if it would in scripture it was about

1156
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,319
how we were going to make this comeback

1157
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:38,079
in the music industry

1158
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:40,240
because we

1159
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:44,160
started working on uh

1160
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:46,880
riding high call step to the right uh

1161
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,000
i did get it finished i haven't released

1162
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,119
it yet

1163
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,000
uh

1164
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:55,760
the other person is frankie j

1165
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:58,160
uh he played trombone with the bar case

1166
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,160
i was currently working on his new

1167
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,319
product

1168
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,839
and when he passed

1169
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:05,760
and uh

1170
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:08,240
never got to finish it

1171
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,640
maybe these projects i might finish down

1172
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:11,440
the line

1173
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,200
and

1174
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,760
proceeds go to his

1175
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,640
his children or something but uh

1176
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:21,680
it's been it's been a rough year

1177
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,440
this year for the music industry period

1178
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,400
across the board

1179
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,280
from coast to coast uh some major people

1180
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,040
have

1181
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:32,319
have gone on

1182
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:35,359
that made major contributions

1183
00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:38,079
to the music industry

1184
00:44:35,359 --> 00:44:40,960
so just continue to pray for us

1185
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:43,359
you know that we can keep going and

1186
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:47,040
provide good music for you all

1187
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:49,839
uh throughout the years to come

1188
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,359
thank you for the question

1189
00:44:49,839 --> 00:44:54,720
drummer in the two-time i was running

1190
00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:56,000
concrete mr turner yeah that's right

1191
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:59,359
so there's several questions we'll go to

1192
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,359
the first second row here

1193
00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:02,240
right here

1194
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:11,040
okay this is addressed to

1195
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,040
everyone on the pill

1196
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:17,359
what do you feel about

1197
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,480
the younger people

1198
00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:22,050
the ones that are coming up

1199
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,280
and do you think that

1200
00:45:22,050 --> 00:45:26,000
[Music]

1201
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:28,319
the talent that people have doesn't are

1202
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,800
they just born with it

1203
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:31,760
or is it nurtured

1204
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,359
and

1205
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,359
what suggestions you have

1206
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:40,640
to see younger people get into

1207
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,319
the music because i think music is

1208
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,240
healing

1209
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:46,560
and i would like to see more

1210
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:48,720
younger people get into in fact

1211
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,000
in my church i'm trying to

1212
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:52,960
initiate

1213
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,359
our youth to get into

1214
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,560
some type of

1215
00:45:55,359 --> 00:46:00,400
musical

1216
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:02,640
instrument i'm actually buying belts

1217
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,680
a musical instrument and let them choose

1218
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,000
it

1219
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:09,280
so what do you write

1220
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:11,599
what suggestions you have

1221
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:14,920
to try to nurture it

1222
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:14,920
in the community

1223
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,160
communities

1224
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,760
well

1225
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,599
i think i think music is

1226
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,280
a

1227
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:33,119
you gotta want to do it

1228
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,440
first of all

1229
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:37,520
it's not an easy thing

1230
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:41,119
there's some people born that have to

1231
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:42,640
give but don't want to do it

1232
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:44,960
some people who don't have the gifts

1233
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,079
that really want to do it they look for

1234
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,520
direction

1235
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:48,480
and uh

1236
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,880
input

1237
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:53,440
so i think this even feels a little bit

1238
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,119
of both uh

1239
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,800
to get uh

1240
00:46:55,119 --> 00:47:01,359
the young people involved i i think the

1241
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,440
music today the young people are doing

1242
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:06,000
i feel good about it because

1243
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,599
they were influenced by us

1244
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,800
you know

1245
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:11,440
people

1246
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:14,560
you know like we were influenced by

1247
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,520
the artist before us you know sly stone

1248
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,520
was like

1249
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,119
my hebrew i even grew big thick

1250
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:23,319
sideburns like

1251
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:23,319
they used to call me chop chop

1252
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:30,240
you couldn't tell me anything about

1253
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:32,800
slimestone that was my hero you know so

1254
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:36,079
uh he inspired me

1255
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,520
and i'm quite sure uh the

1256
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:39,280
artist today

1257
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,559
they're inspired by what they hear on

1258
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,880
radio

1259
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:44,880
unfortunately radio doesn't play our

1260
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,319
kind of music a lot you know you hear

1261
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,599
more hip-hop

1262
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:49,839
and

1263
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:53,200
even the pop artists have crossed over

1264
00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:55,760
believe it or not in the top 10

1265
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,000
back in the day there used to be

1266
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,839
at least

1267
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,400
five

1268
00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:05,040
minority artists

1269
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,800
you look in the top 10 today there are

1270
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,880
none

1271
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,960
so what do you find you find the pop

1272
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,480
culture is crossing over

1273
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,880
into

1274
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,760
the black culture music which was r and

1275
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:20,000
b

1276
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:22,720
you know so now they call it r b hip hop

1277
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,400
you know hip-hop and r b hip-hop sounds

1278
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:25,200
the same to me

1279
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,240
so

1280
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,319
r b

1281
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:31,040
to me is totally different

1282
00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:34,000
from the r b they call it today

1283
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:36,240
type r b with this so i i just think you

1284
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:39,040
know it's an equal feel when it comes to

1285
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:42,559
the youth uh and it's up to

1286
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:45,520
uh the music teachers like uh they said

1287
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:47,680
earlier that influence them uh to do

1288
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,760
music and to keep doing what they're

1289
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:53,100
doing i admire what you're doing by

1290
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:56,290
buying instruments for you

1291
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:56,290
[Music]

1292
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:02,240
keith said the key word

1293
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:05,040
hero

1294
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:07,119
we all look up the heroes

1295
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:09,280
the groups back in the day

1296
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:12,000
were our heroes

1297
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:15,440
if you want to influence a kid

1298
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,839
you have to find their hero

1299
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,000
i grew up playing

1300
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:22,559
different instruments i never knew that

1301
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,920
i could play guitar

1302
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:26,559
but i

1303
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,520
kept hearing about and seeing jimmy out

1304
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:29,680
there

1305
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,839
and he was my hero

1306
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:34,960
so i bought a guitar and i learned to

1307
00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:37,920
play jimi hendrix in six months

1308
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,200
from the day i started i hit the stage

1309
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,800
doing it

1310
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,119
it was by faith

1311
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,200
i didn't know i was going to do this

1312
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:47,760
i had no idea

1313
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,040
but heroes are how you influence young

1314
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,559
folks

1315
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:54,880
you can't swim on what their

1316
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:56,559
what their aim is or what god has in

1317
00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:00,800
store for them

1318
00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:03,599
but talent can be it can be nurtured

1319
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,119
or you can be born with it but it has to

1320
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:06,079
be discovered

1321
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:08,240
okay

1322
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:10,720
and once you discover your hero if

1323
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:12,640
you're seeing muhammad ali as a hero i

1324
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:14,079
want to be a fighter

1325
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,480
you got to fight

1326
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:18,160
you got to stay positive

1327
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,760
the youth

1328
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,520
they love music

1329
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,319
don't turn your back on them because

1330
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,240
they're playing something that you don't

1331
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:29,119
like

1332
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:30,079
music is totally evolving when we grew

1333
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:32,240
up

1334
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:35,359
we had soul music

1335
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:38,800
then it became funk music then it became

1336
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:40,720
hip-hop music r b hip-hop

1337
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:44,319
music is on the growth like rock and

1338
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:45,760
roll we have rock music rock and roll

1339
00:50:44,319 --> 00:50:48,559
back in the day

1340
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,760
wasn't like the rock and roll today

1341
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:51,040
then you got

1342
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,640
metal

1343
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,920
death metal

1344
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:58,240
so music is totally evolving like our

1345
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:00,559
generation is okay

1346
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:02,800
it's all based on heroes

1347
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:05,119
so you find the hero

1348
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,359
probably when keith was growing up at

1349
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:08,960
his house they was playing jazz all the

1350
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:11,200
time rain they was climbing where it

1351
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,720
says families classical classical

1352
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,960
classical stuff they're all saying

1353
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:16,319
you're the [ __ ] what's that

1354
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,079
you know

1355
00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:20,160
i like james brown

1356
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:24,079
that's why he will you see him work out

1357
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:25,680
oh man so heroes

1358
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:27,520
i'm gonna thank you for bringing that

1359
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:31,119
word up because

1360
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,119
i stand by the heroes

1361
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,200
should we take another question

1362
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:42,800
thank you speaking of heroes uh you four

1363
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,680
guys are my heroes and have been since i

1364
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:47,599
was a teenager so um

1365
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,280
from new jersey and i think um when you

1366
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:51,500
went to when slave went to new jersey

1367
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,960
was at the link up with steve washington

1368
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:55,760
[Music]

1369
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,800
who was uh peewee's cousin from the ohio

1370
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,960
players

1371
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:01,680
and um coming from new jersey and coming

1372
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:04,000
uh to dayton ohio

1373
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,359
and seeing all my heroes in this city it

1374
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,839
was remarkable because you know if

1375
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:10,319
you're not from dayton you have no idea

1376
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:11,200
that so much music came out of this

1377
00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:14,160
city

1378
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:16,319
and um i wanted to ask was it was it the

1379
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,640
influence of the ohio players i should

1380
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:19,680
have diamond right here because the ohio

1381
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,720
players

1382
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:24,480
made it famous but stayed in dayton

1383
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:26,000
were they heroes for you guys to look up

1384
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,160
to and that's do you think that's one of

1385
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:31,400
the reasons so much funk came out of

1386
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,400
this town

1387
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,200
yes is the question yes

1388
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,480
i'm so sorry

1389
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,960
um

1390
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:43,599
i believe that what happened with the

1391
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:45,599
ohio players was very very

1392
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:48,240
simple

1393
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:51,040
i was in california when the ohio

1394
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:53,119
players had that big hit record uh skin

1395
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:56,000
tight i never won't forget we were

1396
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:57,599
leaving the gig in san diego california

1397
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,920
and the players came on the radio and

1398
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:02,800
everybody was like ah man the pears

1399
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:04,480
you're on the radio wow i was just big

1400
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,359
big big

1401
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,760
we got back to hollywood i went into the

1402
00:53:07,359 --> 00:53:12,319
office in the motown and uh hal davis

1403
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:15,599
was a producer that nourished us coming

1404
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:16,720
up and he says hey you guys they made it

1405
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:18,800
like wow

1406
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:21,200
they're wild players right

1407
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,960
now what i realized and what i've

1408
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,680
learned is that

1409
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,640
when the ohio players hit it big in

1410
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,720
dayton

1411
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,720
all the record executives

1412
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:32,960
hauled the dayton to find groups to put

1413
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:34,000
out to make money that's exactly what

1414
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,920
happened

1415
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,839
that was told me about one of the moguls

1416
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:41,119
in this business gerald busby he's

1417
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:42,319
passed on now and so it was a matter of

1418
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:43,760
business but it was a matter of

1419
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:46,400
businessman

1420
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:49,280
knowing that the best the best business

1421
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,280
is to go to dayton ohio right now and

1422
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,720
find a group because you can make money

1423
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,440
that was told to be about some of the

1424
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:57,839
most profound executives in this

1425
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,839
business

1426
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:07,200
to answer your question as far as with

1427
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,280
slave

1428
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:12,079
yeah

1429
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:13,920
ohio players did have some influence

1430
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:16,960
but i think even more of an influence

1431
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,160
was once we got to jersey was george

1432
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,240
clinton

1433
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,400
that was a bigger influence because that

1434
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:24,400
was where he was from

1435
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,920
and we were trying to now trying to

1436
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,760
mimic that

1437
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,640
that type of thing

1438
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,480
and i remember reading an article in

1439
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,880
playboy magazine

1440
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:39,040
and from george clinton he made a very

1441
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:41,359
interesting statement he said that

1442
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,480
to paraphrase it you can sell gold

1443
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:43,680
albums

1444
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:47,440
just to

1445
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:49,599
black people you can make gold down

1446
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,920
unfortunately i think we took it to

1447
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:54,720
heart and i think that kind of hurt in a

1448
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,920
way because now if you set your own

1449
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:57,680
boundaries

1450
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,680
whereas you look at other groups that

1451
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,839
actually came in and took fun

1452
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:04,319
but they took it more widespread

1453
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:07,119
earthquake and fire no they did the fun

1454
00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:08,880
but then they branched out crossed over

1455
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:12,000
into other next thing you know they're

1456
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,440
on all the charts another good example

1457
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,079
cool in the game

1458
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,599
yes they started out one thing but the

1459
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:19,920
problem was they didn't know how to

1460
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:22,000
write lyrics so they've got to find

1461
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,079
songwriter to hook them in next thing

1462
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,760
you know they're multi-part

1463
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:28,480
and that's the only way you can do it

1464
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:31,200
you cannot just sell

1465
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:33,280
multi-platinum to just your people

1466
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:36,240
there's not enough money there

1467
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:39,520
so that's where we tried to i think that

1468
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:43,680
was one of our biggest mistakes was that

1469
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:46,720
we focused on one genre of music

1470
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:49,920
and yet still we had the skills and the

1471
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:51,440
talent the brand job steve barrington

1472
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,240
outstanding

1473
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:57,200
i mean he came from uh i'm not sure some

1474
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:59,599
of you know of sheila he

1475
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,240
that's where steve harrington came from

1476
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:05,760
he played with their group

1477
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:08,319
so he had all the skills coming on but

1478
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:10,799
nobody wanted to listen to him so after

1479
00:56:08,319 --> 00:56:12,319
a while he said bye-bye

1480
00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:15,760
and went on and did his own thing and

1481
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:18,079
put out some unbelievable music

1482
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,079
but anyway that's my

1483
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:22,880
take on it

1484
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:24,160
you want to wrap things up

1485
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,799
okay

1486
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:29,680
so we're just about out of time but i

1487
00:56:26,799 --> 00:56:31,359
want to say to the panel thank you

1488
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,920
it's an honor to have been at this table

1489
00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:36,079
with you i learned so much

1490
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,520
and your participation is so appreciated

1491
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:40,760
so thank you very much and can we have a

1492
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,760
round of applause

1493
00:56:44,610 --> 00:56:49,119
[Music]

1494
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:51,359
and thanks to john mccomb please gosh

1495
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,960
john mccomb steps in all the time at the

1496
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:54,640
last room

1497
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,640
he's amazing let's give him a round of

1498
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,640
applause

1499
00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:01,440
i