1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,520 and um 2 00:00:01,839 --> 00:00:07,120 i am 3 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:08,480 very very excited to introduce our next 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,760 presenter 5 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,400 um 6 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:15,040 herbert martin who is a great great 7 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,480 person emeritus professor of english at 8 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:21,199 the university of dayton a wonderful 9 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:21,199 poet poet written volumes of poetry 10 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,760 he is going to be 11 00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:27,359 reading some of his original poetry 12 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,240 that's from the 13 00:00:27,359 --> 00:00:32,800 time period of funk music 14 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,320 every day of the symposium after lunch i 15 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,280 think one poem might be at a different 16 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,719 time 17 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:40,239 and he has a 18 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:42,960 poetry colleague coming for one reading 19 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:44,960 from sinclair college and you can see 20 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,719 their bios in 21 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,960 in the program 22 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:52,719 i don't need to read bios to you i know 23 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:54,320 you can all read i hope you can all read 24 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:57,039 although you know our students don't 25 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,719 read very much i got to say 26 00:00:57,039 --> 00:01:00,559 and i have teaching colleagues here who 27 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:01,440 would agree with me 28 00:01:00,559 --> 00:01:03,199 um 29 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,640 so 30 00:01:03,199 --> 00:01:06,799 this is 31 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,960 the first poem poetry reading number one 32 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:10,560 i dream you harlem a negro soldiers 33 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:12,159 vietnam diary 34 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,200 of course that's the time we're talking 35 00:01:12,159 --> 00:01:15,520 about 36 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:19,040 when the this music was popular 37 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:22,000 and um i'm going to ask herb 38 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,200 to read his poem talk a little bit about 39 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,040 what it's like 40 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,280 to be a poet and especially at that time 41 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,960 period where this poetry was written 42 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,079 and then afterward i'm going to ask him 43 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:33,920 to repeat the poem and here's why 44 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:35,200 when i go to a concert where they're 45 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,799 presenting 46 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,159 a new piece of music that i've never 47 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:41,119 heard before especially if it's a 48 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:42,960 contemporary piece 49 00:01:41,119 --> 00:01:44,880 i always think they should just play it 50 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:46,720 again because 51 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,640 we didn't hear everything the first time 52 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,720 even like last night i saw summer of 53 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,040 seoul at the neon that was the second 54 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,479 time i've seen it i've seen all saw all 55 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,759 kinds of things i didn't notice the 56 00:01:54,479 --> 00:01:57,600 first time 57 00:01:55,759 --> 00:01:59,920 so i'm i've asked him to do that he's 58 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,680 agreed to do that we have a relaxed time 59 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:04,960 in which to do it and he's going to 60 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:07,200 stand by the land of funk away sign 61 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:10,879 so he knows where he is 62 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,680 and let's welcome herbert martin 63 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:15,009 thank you 64 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,009 [Applause] 65 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:23,200 you're all very kind to come and 66 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:24,800 what i will do is i remember going to 67 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,160 new york as 68 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:30,000 many people 69 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:33,680 did in those days simply to 70 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,680 see if i could become famous 71 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,840 and then 72 00:02:35,519 --> 00:02:41,040 somebody said along the way 73 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,400 going to auditions you know if you see 74 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,800 opportunity 75 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:47,200 passing by your apartment you're 76 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,959 supposed to run out and lock her 77 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,040 well of course you can't 78 00:02:48,959 --> 00:02:52,800 say that these days because it's not 79 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,760 politically correct 80 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:58,959 or socially correct 81 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,239 but that was sort of the way it was you 82 00:02:58,959 --> 00:03:03,200 had to 83 00:03:00,239 --> 00:03:08,239 be prepared with whatever discipline 84 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,239 you had or whatever art you had and then 85 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,560 you went to the 86 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,680 readings or to the auditions 87 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,760 and 88 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:19,680 whether or not you had 89 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:21,599 prepared enough was the thing that got 90 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,920 you the part 91 00:03:21,599 --> 00:03:26,000 and so i thought oh i don't know if i 92 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:29,760 can do this i don't know if i can do 93 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:32,319 this and so i spent 94 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,680 most of my time writing and going to 95 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:36,480 hear everybody 96 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,840 who was reading in the village 97 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,159 and 98 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:43,200 following them along the way and so 99 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:44,840 that's what i did 100 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:49,280 harlem was a 101 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:52,400 particularly good place to be 102 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:56,080 and you often heard 103 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:58,720 it told you that 104 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,799 two minutes after you were in new york 105 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,239 city you were a new yorker 106 00:04:00,799 --> 00:04:04,080 and so 107 00:04:02,239 --> 00:04:06,480 so i became 108 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,319 for all intents and purposes a new 109 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,879 yorker 110 00:04:08,319 --> 00:04:12,000 i figured out where harlem was 111 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:13,599 and 112 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:17,040 went to harlem 113 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:19,199 and there was this whole conglomeration 114 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:22,639 of black people all 115 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:24,720 in one place that i had not seen 116 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:27,280 since i had left 117 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,440 birmingham alabama 118 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:31,440 in the late 40s 119 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,440 and i thought oh my goodness everybody's 120 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,360 here 121 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,919 and you you sort of talk to yourself 122 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,199 about all these places and all of these 123 00:04:37,919 --> 00:04:41,919 people that 124 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:44,880 you didn't know but they looked like you 125 00:04:41,919 --> 00:04:48,160 and so you had a great time sort of 126 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:51,440 every saturday i'd go to harlem and 127 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:53,680 spend my harlem saturday and then go to 128 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:56,560 church on sunday 129 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,280 part of that was because of the spirit 130 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,479 of 131 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:02,400 adam clayton powell and this poem was 132 00:05:00,479 --> 00:05:05,280 dedicated to him 133 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:07,520 after passed away 134 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:10,880 i dream you harlem 135 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,840 i dream you harlem in a single american 136 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,000 town 137 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:17,120 where the simplest child 138 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:20,479 spider webbed in negro hallways 139 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,600 is not deceived by the democracies of 140 00:05:20,479 --> 00:05:24,240 love 141 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,560 where they have broke lightning from the 142 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,759 ordinary mothering string 143 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,880 and the old 144 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:32,000 the old sit withered in this passive 145 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:35,919 bone 146 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:37,120 as a major star drives them in frames of 147 00:05:35,919 --> 00:05:40,720 age 148 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:42,000 because i dream you harlem do not be 149 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:46,080 deceived 150 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:47,120 men break love harder than rock fish or 151 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,840 water 152 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:54,160 children unable to dream remain 153 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:56,479 conditional stones do not swim 154 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,440 fish do not walk 155 00:05:56,479 --> 00:06:01,919 its 156 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:04,319 water maintains its state of insistency 157 00:06:01,919 --> 00:06:06,919 in common towns harlem 158 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:10,560 there are a thousand rooms of 159 00:06:06,919 --> 00:06:13,840 despondencies no one remembers being 160 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,280 passive in their bones 161 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:19,280 i dream you 162 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:23,680 main harlem as a child going with pearl 163 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:26,319 eyes desiring in a volley of wind to 164 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:30,160 breathe the air purely 165 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:33,600 the filament in the hallway pierces plum 166 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:36,639 bleak as inexpensive fix 167 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:40,080 it lights the way for the child who 168 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:43,039 whined for what is not there who weeps 169 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,639 that a rat has eaten away his 170 00:06:43,039 --> 00:06:47,360 sister's heart 171 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:49,199 that the bed bug drinks his blood 172 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:52,720 without restraint 173 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:55,280 and the cockroach is unable to feed upon 174 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,840 morsels too small 175 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:59,680 to satisfy his 176 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:01,280 human hunger 177 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,400 do not be 178 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:08,240 disturbed or deceived harlem though 179 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:12,000 these dreams be single to my 180 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,000 dreams and sleeping 181 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:18,160 now one of the things that i took 182 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:21,680 as a kind of metaphor was the city of 183 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:23,120 harlem and all that it had to offer to 184 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,120 all the uh 185 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,840 people who were landing 186 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:31,440 by the minute in harlem and going from 187 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:33,759 place to place so harlem becomes a 188 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,800 signal metaphor 189 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:36,960 that i 190 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:40,560 adopted 191 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:42,240 strangely enough i arrived in dayton 192 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:45,840 very soon after 193 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,840 the supreme court 194 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:52,560 read its decision about 195 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:56,000 desegregating all the schools 196 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:58,720 and they said um let me be sure that i 197 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,840 have it 198 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:04,560 with all deliberate speed 199 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:07,120 well one of the things that my father 200 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,319 did when he left 201 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,560 alabama 202 00:08:08,319 --> 00:08:13,039 was to get my mother to follow him a 203 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:15,120 month later and two months later i 204 00:08:13,039 --> 00:08:18,319 followed him 205 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,840 and the train conductor 206 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:22,560 came in and 207 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,479 they were the black porters 208 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:28,080 and they watched over all the little 209 00:08:24,479 --> 00:08:32,240 kids black kids who were traveling north 210 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:34,399 and he came in to the coach and said 211 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,599 we have just crossed the mesonet dixie 212 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:38,159 line 213 00:08:35,599 --> 00:08:41,839 and i was 12 and a half 214 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:41,839 and i said well that's that 215 00:08:42,560 --> 00:08:47,519 i it took me 20 years before i remember 216 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:49,519 that i said and that's that 217 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:52,800 because i really did not quite 218 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:55,360 understand what he was telling me 219 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,959 but i knew that i had gone 220 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,540 somewhere different 221 00:08:56,959 --> 00:09:02,650 and i was starting life all over again 222 00:08:59,540 --> 00:09:02,650 [Music] 223 00:09:02,959 --> 00:09:06,560 and 224 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:10,240 when he said that i thought that must be 225 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:13,839 a line of poetry somewhere in 226 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:17,040 one of my poems and so i held on to with 227 00:09:13,839 --> 00:09:19,680 all deliberate speed well what i heard 228 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,120 the white people excuse me for saying is 229 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:23,440 that 230 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:27,360 that 231 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:30,080 they were going to be very deliberate 232 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:32,640 about the speed that they took 233 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:35,040 to integrate the schools 234 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,360 and i thought isn't that strange 235 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,760 the lawyers 236 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,760 said we should do this 237 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:45,440 quickly get the government 238 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:47,519 and the people in birmingham said 239 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,760 deliberate speech means that we can take 240 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:53,279 our time 241 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:56,240 so so that's why this poem uh shows up 242 00:09:53,279 --> 00:09:56,240 in my um 243 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,399 [Music] 244 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,720 i think it's the fourth volume or 245 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:04,640 thereabout i've forgotten now because 246 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,320 there's 247 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,360 anyway 248 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,279 it's 249 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:13,680 a negro soldier who has been sent off to 250 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:14,800 vietnam 251 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:17,040 and so 252 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,920 that's the title of the poem a negro 253 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:22,880 soldier's vietnam diary 254 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:25,360 the day he discovered a mother and child 255 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,519 in the river he wrote 256 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:31,120 they had been there a month 257 00:10:27,519 --> 00:10:35,200 the water had begun to tear them apart 258 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:37,440 the mother had not relaxed even in death 259 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:40,720 she held to her child 260 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,760 i lured my gun into the water and walked 261 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,040 away 262 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:46,880 my stomach screamed empty there was 263 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:49,839 nothing there 264 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:53,120 with what little warm water i had it 265 00:10:49,839 --> 00:10:54,240 would not pile it away the mud and 266 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,880 stench 267 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,880 it was like a dead body we could not 268 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,480 discover 269 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:03,519 death hangs on 270 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,800 to the rice the ground is watered with 271 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:06,160 blood 272 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,480 the land 273 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:11,760 bears no fruit 274 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:15,360 grass is an amenity it is a luxury 275 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:17,839 forever to notice so much as a flower or 276 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:20,640 clear water in the stream 277 00:11:17,839 --> 00:11:23,360 bullets here kill with the same 278 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:25,839 deliberate speed that you at home 279 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:29,440 fear destroys the thing it is 280 00:11:25,839 --> 00:11:30,399 unacquainted with i never want to kill 281 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:34,320 again 282 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:35,120 do not celebrate me when and if i come 283 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,000 home 284 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:41,839 i step around the smallest creatures 285 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:44,800 these days i am cautious to pray i am 286 00:11:41,839 --> 00:11:47,920 cautious to believe the day will come 287 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:49,760 when we can take up our sharing with 288 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,240 deliberate speed 289 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:54,880 have you prayed lately 290 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:57,680 for that 291 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,800 uh i didn't go to the war 292 00:11:57,680 --> 00:12:01,680 because 293 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:04,399 one foot was longer than the other and i 294 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:08,079 don't know how they decided that 295 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:11,279 but they did and so i i thought well i'm 296 00:12:08,079 --> 00:12:15,200 kind of lucky for not having to 297 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:17,440 participate in this war but i imagine 298 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,560 what the black soul do 299 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,079 was 300 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:21,680 in vietnam 301 00:12:20,079 --> 00:12:24,639 fighting and 302 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:25,680 not really wanting to be there at all i 303 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:27,519 think 304 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:30,240 but if you have some questions about 305 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:30,240 that i can 306 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,720 tell you i 307 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,720 try to 308 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,839 put in my 309 00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:42,160 poems as many 310 00:12:39,839 --> 00:12:43,920 black people as possible 311 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,560 because they were not 312 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:49,760 celebrated 313 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:51,600 i think when i came north 314 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,560 all the black people and all the black 315 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,760 poets 316 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:57,760 disappeared from the textbook they just 317 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,160 they weren't there anymore 318 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:03,200 because we were in the north and 319 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,079 uh by the way the people who made the 320 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,399 books 321 00:13:04,079 --> 00:13:09,120 for the lord for white and the people 322 00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:11,760 who made the books for the uh black 323 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:14,079 students in the south were black 324 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,639 uh and so black people got into the 325 00:13:14,079 --> 00:13:19,040 textbooks in the south but not in the 326 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:21,680 north and that was one of the 327 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:24,639 things that i had to remember 328 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:26,800 when i came he came north 329 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:27,839 i'm telling you more about my life than 330 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,600 i know 331 00:13:27,839 --> 00:13:31,760 but it's very interesting because it 332 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,760 relates to what you write 333 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,320 and i have one comment and one question 334 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:38,399 and then i'll open the floor my comment 335 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,360 is that the mason dixon line 336 00:13:38,399 --> 00:13:41,760 really 337 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:44,240 didn't mean much i grew up in baltimore 338 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,440 maryland in the 50s and 60s and i'm here 339 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,279 to tell you 340 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,519 if there was nothing more racist than 341 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:52,000 that city 342 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:53,519 and segregated schools and everything 343 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,600 that you can imagine 344 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:57,920 and i experienced a lot of it and it was 345 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,760 segregated many many ways even by 346 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,480 religion and that was a time when there 347 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,480 were 348 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:05,279 religious quotas for going to college 349 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:07,440 for example or going to private schools 350 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:08,240 if you could get in at all 351 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,240 um 352 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,320 the other thing is that 353 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,000 i'm wondering every time i hear you read 354 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,480 first of all you're a fantastic reader 355 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:19,279 of your poetry how long does it take you 356 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,920 to write one poem are they all different 357 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:24,240 or is it they're all different and uh 358 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,040 strangely enough 359 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,160 i 360 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,399 write 361 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,720 in the middle of the night 362 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:33,680 because the house doesn't want anything 363 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,760 and my relatives don't want anything 364 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:39,839 uh and so everybody who lives in the 365 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:43,120 house goes to sleep about 10 or 11 366 00:14:39,839 --> 00:14:46,639 and so and nobody calls anymore so 367 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:49,199 that's fine and i can write until 368 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:51,680 one two or three in the morning and then 369 00:14:49,199 --> 00:14:54,240 i gotta sleep until ten 370 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:57,120 and uh because i'm lazy that's because 371 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:59,120 you're retired i'm retired and so i can 372 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:02,000 avoid to sleep late 373 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:05,440 uh and so all of those things sort of it 374 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,880 informs the apollo but i think uh i 375 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,440 think i heard 376 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,560 gwendolyn brooks say the muse walks by 377 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,519 your house 378 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,120 and 379 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:16,000 deposits 380 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:18,160 and inspiration in the house you have to 381 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,800 pay attention to it and you have to make 382 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:23,680 it better than anything else that you've 383 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:25,839 already written because the muse is 384 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:28,560 pickle and she goes on to the next 385 00:15:25,839 --> 00:15:31,440 forward and the next poet and the next 386 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:34,240 word and so you don't want to just write 387 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:37,040 what she says but you want to change it 388 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:40,720 in some way so i'm 389 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:42,959 up at night changing whatever it is the 390 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,880 the view says so it doesn't matter if 391 00:15:42,959 --> 00:15:47,360 you move you buy a new house or move 392 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:49,839 somewhere else you're still amused 393 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:52,839 i'm still going to do it because 394 00:15:49,839 --> 00:15:56,160 i think that she said you're supposed to 395 00:15:52,839 --> 00:15:57,199 write and so how many volumes have you 396 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,360 written 397 00:15:57,199 --> 00:16:03,040 now it's 11. 398 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:05,680 and i'm working on 12 13 and 14 399 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:08,320 right now because i have that many 400 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:11,519 manuscripts and i'm trying to put them 401 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,519 in some kind of order 402 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:17,120 i put 403 00:16:13,199 --> 00:16:19,279 together a small chat book 404 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:22,079 and it's about rwanda 405 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:24,240 and the ethnic cleansing 406 00:16:22,079 --> 00:16:25,680 and then my mother-in-law came to live 407 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:29,040 with us 408 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:32,320 and i became her principal 409 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:34,959 driver i took her to the daycare and 410 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:37,519 then to the rest home 411 00:16:34,959 --> 00:16:39,519 you know finding one last thing she said 412 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:40,800 because i don't think she liked the 413 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:43,199 wrestle 414 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:45,199 and she said are you coming tomorrow to 415 00:16:43,199 --> 00:16:48,000 take me home with you 416 00:16:45,199 --> 00:16:51,040 and i remember that and you sort of 417 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,079 haunt me and it's in a poem somewhere 418 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,759 that 419 00:16:52,079 --> 00:16:57,360 beneath so i put 420 00:16:53,759 --> 00:17:00,560 rwanda and alzheimer's together 421 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:04,799 how alzheimer's takes away the memory 422 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:06,799 and there you are and i wrote 423 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:10,079 13 poems 424 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:11,520 uh dedicated to bitty and then 425 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:15,120 ten poems 426 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:17,839 doing the uh ethnic cleansing in rwanda 427 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:19,439 and they just put them together 428 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:21,360 and i cuz 429 00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:24,480 and then i called it 430 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:26,959 things that will kill you 431 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,640 so that's the title so now i'm gonna 432 00:17:26,959 --> 00:17:30,240 find a publisher 433 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,919 who's willing to 434 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,160 invest in that 435 00:17:31,919 --> 00:17:35,760 but that's the hardest part 436 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,559 the poems come 437 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:41,120 and then i revise them and revise them 438 00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:43,280 if i send it out and it comes back i 439 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:46,000 know something's wrong with it there's a 440 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:48,640 sentence that's not right there's a verb 441 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,880 that's not right or something isn't 442 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,960 wrong with it or they wouldn't 443 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:55,280 send it back so 444 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,440 you know that's vanity talking now 445 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,440 because that's how i work 446 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:02,080 other questions or comments this is your 447 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:05,120 chance to get to see a real poet very 448 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:07,360 often in person 449 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:07,360 yes 450 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:18,400 i don't know much about um the rwanda 451 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:21,360 genocide 452 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:23,610 and i was growing up in north carolina 453 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:25,039 and then i moved to washington dc so 454 00:18:23,610 --> 00:18:26,640 [Music] 455 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:30,320 in north carolina we had the black 456 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:32,720 schools and then in dc we did have some 457 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:35,120 white students but we weren't heavily 458 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,520 segregated so what do you think the 459 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:39,120 effects of the genocide or the 460 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,640 segregation have had on black 461 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:43,280 communities 462 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,799 i think you know one of the things i was 463 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,919 amazed that 464 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:47,919 they had 465 00:18:45,919 --> 00:18:49,600 in rwanda 466 00:18:47,919 --> 00:18:52,240 black people 467 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:55,520 exterminating other black people and i 468 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:57,039 couldn't quite wrap my mind around that 469 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,160 because uh 470 00:18:57,039 --> 00:18:59,039 you know 471 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,000 life 472 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:03,520 however difficult it is it's precious it 473 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,200 comes 474 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:08,000 and it's gone 475 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:10,480 uh and i have to uh 476 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,559 you know i get up in the morning and i 477 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,640 thank the lord 478 00:19:12,559 --> 00:19:17,919 that i lived 479 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:20,160 four years longer than uh 480 00:19:17,919 --> 00:19:22,160 the general but 481 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,960 poland colin powell 482 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:28,320 i thought oh i had four more years on 483 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,320 the game how was it 484 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,799 i get four more years 485 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:34,400 and then i think although the dead 486 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:36,080 people are asking what are you doing 487 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,480 with those pointers 488 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,360 you know are you creating something and 489 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:43,760 so 490 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:44,880 uh that that troubled me um i was happy 491 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,160 when 492 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,799 they just 493 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:51,039 they segregated the schools and i 494 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:51,039 thought 495 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:57,280 my mother said go on go to school 496 00:19:54,799 --> 00:19:59,520 do it do it 497 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,840 and i realized 498 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:04,080 why she kept saying that 499 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:07,600 she went to the third grade 500 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:09,679 and my father went to the fourth grade 501 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,880 well i was the one who went to the 12th 502 00:20:09,679 --> 00:20:12,080 grade 503 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,559 okay 504 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:17,280 we got to 12th grade 505 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:18,880 there's a college 506 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,960 and i said oh 507 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,799 are you gonna help me pay for it no she 508 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,120 said you can stay in my house 509 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:26,720 you can read you can eat 510 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:30,720 you could sleep here 511 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:32,000 i don't have any more money in you 512 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:35,840 okay 513 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,840 so i got myself a lawnmower 514 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,320 and i mowed grass 515 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,799 and you would not believe it i could 516 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,080 smell grass when i wasn't even 517 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:46,799 cutting it 518 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:49,440 it was just water 519 00:20:46,799 --> 00:20:51,280 but i made enough money to pay for the 520 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,440 first semester 521 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:56,799 so then i went and worked at the post 522 00:20:53,440 --> 00:21:00,000 office delivering mail 523 00:20:56,799 --> 00:21:03,120 i paid for the second semester 524 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,799 i paid my way through college that way 525 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:08,400 and i wasn't 526 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:10,320 you know too tired i just did it 527 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,840 that's what you got to do 528 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,159 earn this money 529 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,200 pay these people they will teach you 530 00:21:14,159 --> 00:21:18,080 this 531 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,840 you will learn this my mother said once 532 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,919 you get it they can't take it away from 533 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,960 you once you get it 534 00:21:21,919 --> 00:21:26,880 you know it's up here that's it and so 535 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,720 that's what i've been doing for load 536 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:32,400 these 537 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:34,159 did you figure out how old that was yeah 538 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,240 these 88 years 539 00:21:34,159 --> 00:21:36,240 old 540 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,840 no i just keep going could you could you 541 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,640 read both poems one more time and then 542 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:48,280 we'll go on to andrea floyd 543 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,280 thank you so much 544 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,120 the spirit is always moving 545 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:10,400 walk together children don't you get 546 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:12,720 weary you walk together children don't 547 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,679 you get tired 548 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:18,640 walk together children don't you get a 549 00:22:15,679 --> 00:22:22,080 weary there's a great camp meeting in 550 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,080 the promised land 551 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:28,320 i dream you harlem 552 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:31,520 i dream you harlem in a single american 553 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:34,640 town where the simplest child spider 554 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:37,039 webbed in negro hallways is not deceived 555 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:40,799 by democracies of love 556 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:44,080 where they are broke lightning from the 557 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:45,520 ordinary mothering string and the old 558 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,799 the old 559 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,919 sit withered in their passive bone 560 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:52,840 as they 561 00:22:49,919 --> 00:22:56,400 make their search for 562 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:59,520 tomorrow because i dream you harlem do 563 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:02,080 not be deceived men break love harder 564 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:05,200 than rock fish or water 565 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,559 children unable to dream remain 566 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,159 conditional 567 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:13,120 stones 568 00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:15,919 stones do not swim fish do not walk 569 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:17,360 water maintains the state of its 570 00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:20,159 consistency 571 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:22,799 in common towns harlem there are a 572 00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:26,240 thousand rooms of despondencies 573 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:27,120 no one remembers being passive in their 574 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,559 bone 575 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:32,640 i dream you 576 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:36,240 main harlem as a child going with pearl 577 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:39,840 eyes desiring in a volley of wind to 578 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:42,640 breathe the air purely the filament in 579 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:46,640 the hallway pierces plum 580 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:49,600 bleak as inexpensive picks it lights the 581 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:53,919 way for the child who whines for what is 582 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:56,240 not there who weeps that a rat has eaten 583 00:23:53,919 --> 00:23:59,679 away his sister's heart 584 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:01,279 that the bedbug drinks his blood without 585 00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:04,880 restraint 586 00:24:01,279 --> 00:24:09,039 and the cockroach is able to feed upon 587 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:10,799 morsels too small to satisfy his small 588 00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:13,440 human hunger 589 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:15,440 do not be deceived harlem 590 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:20,480 though these dreams 591 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:20,480 be single to my sleeping 592 00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:26,640 a negro soldier's vietnam diary 593 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:32,559 the day he discovered a mother and child 594 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:35,679 in the river he wrote 595 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:38,880 they had been there a month the water 596 00:24:35,679 --> 00:24:42,640 had begun to tear them apart the mother 597 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:44,159 had not relaxed even in death she held 598 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,760 to a child 599 00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:48,720 i lowered my gun into the water walked 600 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,080 away 601 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,919 my stomach screamed empty there was 602 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,960 nothing there 603 00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:58,080 what little water i had would not pile 604 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:03,200 it away 605 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:06,159 the mud or stench it was like a body 606 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:09,919 that could not be discovered 607 00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:13,200 death hangs on the rice the ground is 608 00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:17,679 watered with blood the land bears no 609 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,559 fruit grass is an amenity it is a luxury 610 00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:22,640 so 611 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:26,080 forever to notice a flower or clear 612 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:28,720 water in a stream bullets here kill with 613 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,919 the same deliberate speed that they do 614 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,720 at home 615 00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:34,400 fear destroys the thing it is 616 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,880 unaccounted with 617 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,760 i never want to kill again 618 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:42,720 do not celebrate me when and if i come 619 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:45,679 home i step around the smallest 620 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:49,120 creatures these days i am cautious to 621 00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:50,240 pray i am cautious to believe the day 622 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:53,279 will come 623 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:56,799 when we can take up our sharing again 624 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:59,679 with deliberate speed have you prayed 625 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:03,320 lately for that 626 00:25:59,679 --> 00:26:03,320 thank you very much 627 00:26:03,820 --> 00:26:10,289 [Applause]