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great to be here with these uh two

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distinguished leaders

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uh commissioner shaw

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and mayor elect

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mims

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so uh let's get right into it is that

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all right let's get into it let's get

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into the land of funk way

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the first question i have uh i think i

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want to start uh with uh

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mayor elect mims

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and that

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is what

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did you

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feel in the moment

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as you were playing with bands like

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you're saying artists of music and

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you did you feel that this was something

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that was just

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everyday part of life or did you have a

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sense

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of what the outcome became as far as

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these bands coming up and so many of

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them taking off the way they did i just

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want to get

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a snapshot

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of what it was what was going on and how

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you felt about it well first of all good

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morning everyone

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uh let me say clearly i had not a clue

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okay

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i had um

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i had a paper route

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90 customers and i think i was making

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probably

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50 a month

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in terms of carrying the newspaper

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and when i had the opportunity to play

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with this band

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and i was making 50 a night

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it was easy for me to get up that paper

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route so i was thinking from uh economic

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perspective and the work perspective in

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terms of hours for work works and

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dollars

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you know playing with the artists of

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music uh to me was uh a great transition

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and you were a drummer right yes okay

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yeah so so the aspect of um

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uh playing from that perspective uh

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making making money i think it was uh

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like 15 16 years old when i first

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started playing with them

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and i was

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the only member of the group that had a

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car

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uh because so

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when we did some traveling

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uh we would hitch the trailer

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to my uh 56 chevy and we would go to

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different places detroit things of the

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nature and play so i mean i probably

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would have played for free

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you know

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because i just love playing the drums

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that much

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and being in the high school band and

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playing in contests

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with

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keith harrison's

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older brother who was steve harrison who

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was a hell of a drummer himself as well

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and was part of um

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the inspiration that caused us to to

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play together and to move so quickly

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in terms of the skill set that we had

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i started playing

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in the fourth grade

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because i was always beating on the desk

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and disrupting class

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okay so the teacher

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made me go to this concert at the

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memorial hall

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which i didn't want to go to where she

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forced me to go

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and she knew that there were drummers

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and then because of the excitement that

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i was generated because of watching them

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then i came

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you know the in into that came the

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desire to want to be a drummer so then i

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started doing the things from that

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perspective and so that's how i got

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started and then when

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uh steve harrison and keith

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who was in diapers i think almost when

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they moved across the street from us

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uh what part of town was that by the way

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that was in jefferson township at that

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time

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but i left the public schools my parents

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moved to jefferson township when i was

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in the fifth grade okay so um

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and and unbeknownst to me

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it put me who um again as a student

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being some of the borderline social

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deviant if you will

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it gave me an easier way to accomplish

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academic work because in terms of once

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you learn how to read music

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it helps you with your written word

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same process and then because of reading

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music understanding 16th notes quarter

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you're right there in the fractions

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percentages and ratios

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so school became easy

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which to the detriment of the teachers

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it gave me more time to be disruptive so

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you know so but anyway i had no clue

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that we moved to this particular level

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in the moment

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in a moment in that moment playing now

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as somebody i've gathered you and i are

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probably close in age so i'm trying to

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think on my experience and kind of

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see if we have a parallel here when i

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was a young person i looked up

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all of these older like 15 and 16 year

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olds they were like superstars when i

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was like maybe eight nine and ten

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and i'm just wondering if you if you had

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groups when you were growing up and

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dating that you kind of looked up to

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uh as and thinking about them with a lot

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of reverence and yeah well

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my father

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attended roosevelt high school

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and grew up with a lot of these guys

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ohio players and slave and

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lakeside sure

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you know it was kind of ever present

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i'll tell you my first experience with

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punk music was uh my dad took us to

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hair arena to the mothership connection

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oh boy yeah and uh

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my mother wasn't too happy about that i

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think

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children

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just fell in love with uh parliament and

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and uh so many other other groups

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players i mean most of these folks you

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know were in the neighborhood yeah grew

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up in dayton view so pb middlebrooks and

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folks uh it was just we saw him

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regularly um sugarfoot

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sure um

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roger troutman and larry trout and zap

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uh were all in my neighborhood so we

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walked past this which was where they

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were indeed dayton famous

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the studio for the travel ones was there

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at uh

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catalpa and salem

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uh so you know we would

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walk by there and you'd hear them

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playing music and and uh you know stuff

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things like that i mean

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i remember uh lakeside practicing and uh

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in a garage i can't even remember the

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street over here lake lakeview movie man

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so it was ever present

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yeah uh and you know all of my friends

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we just all fell in love with funkies

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like every parliament album and uh say

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my first album that i ever had was that

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he went out wow we got the fourth grade

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right i just remember being that's

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waiting with the the music and the

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culture we knew we had something special

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here today to answer your question

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realize right away that this is unusual

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that we have so many

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high-powered bands in this community so

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i was not the musician that commissioner

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mims was

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but i i i love music and still do

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and it was just a blessing to be

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in a city that had so much rich culture

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in terms of music and funk

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one of the uh aspects or stimuli that

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kind of got a lot of the bands going

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from from the interviews i've done is a

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kind of healthy competition

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when you think about

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sports and then there was a ethic of

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competition so my question uh for uh

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commissioner mims is who were the rivals

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in the band that you played in and where

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did that rival where are some of the

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places where that rivalry played out

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well it was um

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i think the uh the um ohio players who

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were earlier the ohio untouchables

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they were probably the clear leader if

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you will during the time that i was

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playing um

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both in high school and once i left high

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school i went to the military so i was

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sort of

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separated out for about three and a half

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years okay

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what was going on

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i knew that

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in in our neighborhood when i was

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practicing

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in uh we just practiced in my garage

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uh steve harrison and i

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and so all the kids in the neighborhood

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will always come over and watch us now

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steve harrison and i played uh drum

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duets

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and we were um we won every time a

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contest in david three times

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uh because we were just that good uh we

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would throw sticks back and forth while

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we were playing yeah bouncing on the

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floor and walk around and throw them up

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in the air catching behind our back you

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know all this while we're still playing

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so we set a standard

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in terms of how people saw

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how they saw music and so we had um

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guys stan brooks of course he lived down

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the street he was there back there

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but i was at paperboy as well

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but his older brother paul you know

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played

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was a leader base he played lead league

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guitar and so

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they would come over then across the

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street from us um alton brown played

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bass guitar with the group

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mr t in the sidewinders i mean so we had

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a whole bunch of things going on from

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that perspective right in the american

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legion government bubble corps

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which i was a leader of as well

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we had uh carl boyne

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who played with the morocco's

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steve harrison again like i mentioned he

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was always my wingman that jones was

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doing things uh playing together it was

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other co-captain

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and we sort of merged

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the american legion gentleman buga corp

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with the pythagoreans gentleman

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and the girls assembly and so

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we

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put all these different groups together

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and made a major group that beat

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national champs from the dayton area

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here locally

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middle blackhawks that traveled

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nationally and they were national champs

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twice

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but they couldn't meet us

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so we we kicked the tails a couple times

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competitions here but looking at some of

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the bands like the imperials

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uh guy sean sandwich yes he played with

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that group

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sean sandra's father also coached our

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little league baseball team you know

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with tomorrow

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so i mean there was so much community

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connection

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and richness so we had these different

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levels of competition

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uh always in in the community so he was

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a coach

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and he also was involved with helping to

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manage the band as well so that

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that continued over right and so

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the other thing associated with that

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because all of us also were in our

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different

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high school marching bands right so we

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had the jefferson township marching band

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of course in roosevelt in every high

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school we had a marching band

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and in the marching band we had guys

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again who all played in the um

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the american nation drummond being

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recorded with myself wow so it was it

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was just real special

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did you get to see any battles of the

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bands did you go to the show wagon or

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did you go to

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any uh

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events where you as a young person says

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like that but at the montgomery county

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fair oftentimes uh you you have

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an opportunity of many of those groups i

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was just thinking

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i

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just thought about some other son yeah

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and then the group dating all of the

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stuff

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so uh kim yancey

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experienced with the street i was very

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close friends with his brother

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uh you know but i almost forgot about

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them and then the group date it's all

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these groups that have so much synergy

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in a neighborhood where

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all that they do together

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all of these guys were older than us but

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i grew up with their children

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and just remembering just so finally um

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having the opportunity to be around them

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doesn't seem like a big deal

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you know

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we didn't really look at uh a lot of

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these bands and a lot of members

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as as the superstars that they were you

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know

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you go to a show or

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or be in their midst um here locally it

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just wasn't a big deal but as i grew

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older and i met folks from

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la and and other places these guys were

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superstars yeah absolutely stupid

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absolutely superstars and uh it was just

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that it was just a blessing to be able

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to be around around the world you know

349
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one of the things too let me say this

350
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real quick that's true but you guys

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probably you know despite doing some

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research

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uh and i didn't realize that i was out

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of town um at educational conferences at

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this time i was a teacher in 1977

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and uh working with the national

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education association and we were in a

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conference in minneapolis and i just

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happened to hear on this news they were

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talking about the top 10 records in the

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nation

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and

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seven of the top ten records in the

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nation were from bands from dayton ohio

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and this is 1977.

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and

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you know when you grow up interacting

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with some of these guys and seeing them

369
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play uh like you were mentioning you

370
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just didn't know

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how special they were and then when you

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out of town and you hear this on the

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news and some of the top 10 records from

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bands from nick ohio he said damn we

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must really really be good here today in

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terms of what we're doing so

377
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that's one reason why

378
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clearly has to be here and someone was

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saying uh last uh welcome to the last

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month when we did the um

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the opening of the

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land upon way

383
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that

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the guy stuck his foot in the water

385
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and and that's where the funk came from

386
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it's concerned so i don't know what the

387
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deal was i mean twisted a little bit but

388
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clearly we have an edge up on everyone

389
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else when it comes to quality of punk

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music

391
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you know it's interesting because i

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think

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so many

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uh cities like dayton have

395
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people that the musicians look up to so

396
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you have the folks that everybody knows

397
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that have the hit records and then you

398
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have a whole group of people that the

399
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musicians look up to and i've learned a

400
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lot about that from interviewing people

401
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so i'm gonna just call a name out

402
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and then you all just say whatever comes

403
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to mind i'm gonna come i'm trying to

404
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think of uh look at my genius uh

405
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list going juni morrison

406
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[Music]

407
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that's the name

408
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yeah did you ever get to encounter him

409
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or see no never again never got to uh

410
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yeah no i saw him perform once yeah

411
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actually that bread alone uh

412
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tours with some i can't remember

413
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but that was a big one for us i mean at

414
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that point

415
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uh all of all of my friends in the

416
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neighborhood we were collecting albums

417
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and just and that was a big one i

418
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remember that finding that album the day

419
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i bought that up

420
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and uh we listened to it all over and

421
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over and over again

422
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uh

423
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yeah so now that was a big opportunity

424
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all absolutely

425
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you know i think about um uh satch

426
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william saturn

427
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okay um because sash played with the uh

428
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my group and the ohio

429
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the um

430
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he heard some music

431
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when i first started playing and um

432
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what was so amazing about him

433
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is it's not just his ability with the

434
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saxophone it's just his personality

435
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uh was so compelling

436
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and

437
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i remember we were playing a performance

438
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and he took the mouthpiece off the

439
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stacks and just played the mouthpiece

440
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and um i mean he like laying on the

441
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stage

442
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with the mouthpiece in his hand almost

443
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like it's a harmonica and i mean just

444
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the crowd was just like wow

445
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just watching him perform and do what he

446
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was doing and this was not rehearsed he

447
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had not done any of this in terms of our

448
00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,800
practice because he just got so caught

449
00:16:05,839 --> 00:16:08,639
up

450
00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,560
in the moment in terms of what was going

451
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on in that particular concert

452
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and uh took the mouthpiece off and just

453
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laid on the stage and you know just

454
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performed

455
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so yeah just just so much richness so so

456
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uh just for for the best of the audience

457
00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:28,079
uh mr satchel is the leader of he was

458
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the leader of the ohio players

459
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and

460
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judy morrison

461
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was a

462
00:16:32,079 --> 00:16:36,720
singer keyboardist multi instrumentalist

463
00:16:34,079 --> 00:16:39,279
with the ohio players came on board

464
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around 68 or so

465
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well maybe more than seven years with

466
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pain

467
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and all that good stuff so those are two

468
00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:48,720
people to take notes on for those of you

469
00:16:47,839 --> 00:16:50,320
who

470
00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,720
are new to this thing i'm trying to

471
00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,800
think of uh the artist that really comes

472
00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:57,240
to mind too in terms of dating and just

473
00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,959
genius and i think a genius i think of

474
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multi-instrumentalists but they usually

475
00:16:58,959 --> 00:17:04,000
can do something else as well and i'm

476
00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:06,400
thinking of roger troutman who was as

477
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,640
great of a performer

478
00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,679
as he was multi-instrumentalist

479
00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,160
and so

480
00:17:09,679 --> 00:17:14,079
what was it like uh having roger the

481
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same thing and again this guy from the

482
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neighborhood really i grew up with his

483
00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:22,319
children as well but uh no that yeah

484
00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:23,919
exceptional uh but again i we didn't we

485
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didn't really recognize that it was just

486
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a local a local band basically yeah and

487
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it wasn't until i you know traveled to

488
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other places like

489
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my wife is from new orleans and you know

490
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the great talents that come out of new

491
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orleans but these

492
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her relatives would come up to w from

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dayton

494
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yeah first of all they talk about smuggy

495
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nightclubs it was incredible that they

496
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even knew what that was but then they

497
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would immediately go to a conversation

498
00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:51,760
about all of these different groups

499
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and uh roger and zab i mean

500
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mega superstars i mean i you know they

501
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would get

502
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you know get

503
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the paparazzi and folks would just be

504
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dying to see them and they can walk down

505
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the street of david

506
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nobody really is

507
00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,960
impressed i mean we recognize their

508
00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,720
talent but it just wasn't it was

509
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striking to me that

510
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that they were these multi um

511
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so they're mega stars yeah and uh and it

512
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was just incredible that they came from

513
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this area and uh

514
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and it's just great the culture of

515
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dating and the culture of folk music

516
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a lot of people talk about uh the

517
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foundations for the fun being tied to a

518
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period of time when young people had

519
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access to learning instruments

520
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and

521
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we have a lot of conversation in the

522
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present

523
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about the

524
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,480
shortage or lack of opportunities for

525
00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:43,679
young people to play instruments and

526
00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,039
they

527
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turn other

528
00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:49,840
gadgets and devices and things that they

529
00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:52,320
have exposure to into their

530
00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:54,559
way to make music

531
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as policy makers

532
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i have people involved in crafting

533
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policy how do you think about

534
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or what do you imagine can be some

535
00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:07,280
things that might

536
00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:09,600
uh get us on the path

537
00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,120
of the kind of creativity we had before

538
00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,919
or do you just see that as just an

539
00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:16,080
irritant passe and we can move into

540
00:19:13,919 --> 00:19:18,480
another direction just curious as people

541
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,240
who have worked in the area of culture

542
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,400
and policy making

543
00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,400
where does the funk fit in the future

544
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,640
beyond preservation

545
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:29,200
right so preservation is important but

546
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:31,120
what about the actual funk on the ground

547
00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,000
yeah well we should we should definitely

548
00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:35,120
have

549
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,799
music in all the schools when i grew up

550
00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:39,039
every elementary school certainly every

551
00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:40,880
high school and well every student had

552
00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:43,280
to go take a music class

553
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,120
and i don't think folks fully appreciate

554
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,039
the value and commissioner was just

555
00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:48,480
talking about how it correlates with

556
00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:51,360
math and

557
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:53,360
spoken word and science

558
00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:55,440
we've got to get back to that and this

559
00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:58,559
fan here has really been a huge champion

560
00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:00,400
of doing just that wow uh

561
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the link is is

562
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,600
is clear

563
00:20:01,679 --> 00:20:04,799
you know and uh we've got to do more

564
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,280
more to get

565
00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:08,320
music funding and arts back in our

566
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,080
schools

567
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,960
you know one of the challenges that i've

568
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,720
had

569
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,679
the experiences

570
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,520
continuously having been a government

571
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relations person a lobbyist for

572
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education

573
00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:23,120
and the state national and uh local

574
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levels

575
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is when you talk to

576
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uh policymakers

577
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,440
um

578
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,640
i recall being in a conference

579
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with the uh

580
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,880
the national school awards association

581
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and the council of great city schools it

582
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,880
represents the largest

583
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,400
60 school districts in the nation

584
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and arne duncan when he was the

585
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,880
secretary of education

586
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:49,440
was at that conference he was speaking

587
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and arne duncan for those who may not

588
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,679
know

589
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,720
was um

590
00:20:51,679 --> 00:20:56,720
on the basketball team at the harvard uh

591
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,960
when he was in college and so he was

592
00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,360
speaking about different things with

593
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,520
tommy hawley testing stuff no child left

594
00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:05,200
behind and more and more testing

595
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,520
associated with students

596
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,120
without the resources and support

597
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,960
that we need to have as far as urban

598
00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:11,840
schools are concerned and there's this

599
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,919
big

600
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:17,200
question about

601
00:21:13,919 --> 00:21:19,840
how do you test and measure music or the

602
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,760
arts for example right and it was just

603
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,880
so

604
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:27,200
disheartening to see and hear people

605
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,640
who have not a clue about the value of

606
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:33,440
music and art

607
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:35,840
talking about um having one test

608
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,720
that covered all of music and all the

609
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,360
art

610
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,159
and i told them how ridiculous it was

611
00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:43,039
okay

612
00:21:40,159 --> 00:21:44,480
because i said you got you got music you

613
00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:46,320
got art you got different things you got

614
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,240
different forms of art you know like

615
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,159
what would do the sculpture what's this

616
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,159
sculpture have ceramics you have the

617
00:21:50,159 --> 00:21:54,960
clay methods you're doing the

618
00:21:52,159 --> 00:21:57,440
the the the slab method the core method

619
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,120
you know uh the wheel so i mean there's

620
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,320
so many different

621
00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:02,320
components

622
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,559
to all the different arts you don't have

623
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,400
just you can't have just one test

624
00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:09,280
that covers all the art

625
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,640
and so i asked any duncan

626
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,760
you know when he was in school i mean

627
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,760
this is

628
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,400
clearly about a thousand people in this

629
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,600
room i said um you talked about some of

630
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,919
the kind of things that you did in

631
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:22,400
elementary school you said i said talk

632
00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:24,480
about your experience in your

633
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,400
extracurricular activities and so he

634
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,559
began to go on and talk about being

635
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,559
involved in music being involved in art

636
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:33,360
and all the things associated with that

637
00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:36,080
and so he slowed up

638
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:38,400
because he knew what i was getting to i

639
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:41,440
said then why don't we require

640
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:44,080
all forms of art as component

641
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:46,799
and how we measure student achievement

642
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:49,600
because if you were to look at

643
00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:51,200
all the schools across the nation

644
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,280
that are high achieving school districts

645
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,600
or high achieving schools all of them

646
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,679
have high proponents of music art and

647
00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,080
athletics in their program

648
00:22:57,679 --> 00:23:02,000
so i mean it's a common sense method but

649
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,720
part of the challenge that i think i've

650
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,720
always had is pushing to make

651
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,720
all the opportunities that

652
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,000
the high performing schools have and

653
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,039
students from those school districts

654
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:15,679
have to get those things back into your

655
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:17,520
dayton like mr shaw was saying it's just

656
00:23:15,679 --> 00:23:19,200
been a lifelong struggle expecting

657
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,480
things happening i think what we're

658
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,799
doing here

659
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,760
with this shows more and more people the

660
00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:28,400
value of that and while we have um

661
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:30,799
no really high performing ban

662
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,440
in for example david public schools

663
00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:34,960
all the surrounding schools do have that

664
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,880
and so when people are talking about

665
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,799
what we don't do from an academic

666
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,360
perspective but how we don't do well on

667
00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:44,960
testing there's a clear example of how

668
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:47,039
much music is missed in our city

669
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,480
all right well actually i think that's a

670
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:52,159
strong note

671
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:54,720
for us to uh end on if i'm keeping time

672
00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:54,720
wisely

673
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,120
if there's anyone who has a question

674
00:23:57,279 --> 00:24:01,120
this is your chance to ask the mayor

675
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:04,000
elect there's one right there and the

676
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:06,559
commissioner

677
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:09,120
my name is clarence wolmes i

678
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:11,840
was better at roosevelt high school

679
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:13,360
from 1964 to 68.

680
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,200
and i was just making a list of some of

681
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:18,240
the outstanding students that i had in

682
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:20,799
those days

683
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,880
ray turner thomas shelby derek floyd

684
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:24,320
martha morrison junior

685
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,960
martin pierce

686
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:29,279
christian barney burke still there and

687
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,720
david wilson gregory did you know any of

688
00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:34,799
those people did you have any

689
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:37,120
interaction yes yes yo one that uh that

690
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:38,799
i worked with not only um

691
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:41,679
back in the day because he was a drummer

692
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:44,080
too phil bass and uh he was in certain

693
00:24:41,679 --> 00:24:46,799
contests and he always came in second or

694
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,799
third behind me

695
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:56,799
but just

696
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,679
also one you know super super human

697
00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,000
being

698
00:24:57,679 --> 00:25:02,799
okay and i worked in the dayton school

699
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,279
system for a long time and just retired

700
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:07,360
maybe i think about five years ago and

701
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:09,200
have been the director of transportation

702
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:11,279
been director of um

703
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,919
a whole lot of atmosphere programs

704
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:14,960
within the city of dayton's school

705
00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:17,600
district

706
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,559
um uh junior hearing some of those guys

707
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,600
you know

708
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:24,000
i think he did mention carl carl boyd i

709
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:26,720
think because carl boyne was from um

710
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,480
roosevelt as well played in the band

711
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,080
and uh was also

712
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:33,039
a member of the uh

713
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:35,360
the morocco's man and i also lost

714
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:36,400
contact with him as well but there's so

715
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,720
many

716
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,720
of those people that you talked about

717
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:44,640
that i heard about and made such strong

718
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,640
contributions are the cities concerned

719
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,799
i as a music educator and that's what my

720
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:51,360
main job has always been my career

721
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:54,640
either teaching k-12 music or

722
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:55,679
teaching people how to teach music k-12

723
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,640
and

724
00:25:55,679 --> 00:26:00,960
something has to happen this is scott i

725
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:04,080
i'm not a resident of dayton but i work

726
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:06,400
in dayton i'm 10 minutes from dayton i'm

727
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,720
in kettering where we have fantastic

728
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:11,679
music program and dayton public schools

729
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:14,000
need to be be equal to that

730
00:26:11,679 --> 00:26:15,760
it's not just about what other things

731
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,919
the arts teach you

732
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,360
it's about learning about your culture

733
00:26:17,919 --> 00:26:20,799
your history

734
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:23,200
and having

735
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:25,360
emotional feelings that are created by

736
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,520
those experiences

737
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:29,919
it's it's just important all the way

738
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,200
around and i am so grateful that you've

739
00:26:29,919 --> 00:26:35,039
been elected

740
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,039
and you don't have much to do now right

741
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:39,760
and i know commissioner shaw will

742
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:42,320
support you as mayor so um let's give

743
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,440
everyone on this panel today a round of

744
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,760
applause

745
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,720
and uh thank you for giving your time to

746
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,640
us

747
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,039
i will say that on saturday at the

748
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,720
concert commissioner both commissioners

749
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:54,960
will be on stage reading the

750
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,000
proclamation that the mayor has has

751
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,960
prepared

752
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,159
declaring dayton as the funk capital of

753
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,840
the world

754
00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:04,960
actually neil gentleman said it should

755
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,400
be the galaxy but we didn't make it back

756
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,039
we made it a little more serious than

757
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,520
that i want to say one other thing um i

758
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:13,840
spoke earlier about support for this

759
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,679
project with this funk um symposium

760
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,720
that's been going on since wednesday

761
00:27:15,679 --> 00:27:19,039
night

762
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:22,240
and um that is due in part to the

763
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:24,640
generosity of the competitive actually

764
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,679
project grant applications and we were

765
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,919
fortunate to get one lisa hanson is here

766
00:27:27,679 --> 00:27:32,640
who's head of culture works here in

767
00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:35,360
dayton and we want to thank her and the

768
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,799
montgomery county arts and um why is

769
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:39,039
that name so long i keep saying that

770
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:42,720
arts and cultural district there we go i

771
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:44,080
got it for uh funding this project um we

772
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,399
really thank you very much give her a

773
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,399
round of applause

774
00:27:47,660 --> 00:27:50,689
[Applause]