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we're going to go to a little art now

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with mars howard

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um one of our

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favorite and famous well-known local

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painters who was the artist who led the

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creation of the funk mural which is on

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now on the land of funk way behind the

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neon theater

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also originally stone street

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and

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morris is going to take us on a little

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tour of dayton and looking at funk art

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in dayton

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all right good afternoon everyone i'm

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morris howard i'm an artist here in

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dayton and

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creator of the funk bureau which is

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down on stone street land of funk way

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down so

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just have a short presentation on

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some of the art

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that's

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available

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uh regarding funk and unfortunately

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there's not a lot

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and i want to before i start the

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presentation i just kind of want to

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delve into that for a few minutes that

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what i discovered more than anything

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else

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which i was related to sharing is that

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there's not a there's there's just not a

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lot um devoted to the genre and so

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what i realized is that that's got to

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change so we need more art

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to work from

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so that was my discovery

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the main discovery

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the fluff bureau was actually created in

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2018

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just about

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just about

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late september early october shannon

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and

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that was my first introduction that's

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how

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sharon and i met and she invited me here

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and i you know i'm

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you know indebted to her friendship and

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her husband pete um

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you know really you know grateful to be

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here again and

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that she asked me to be a part of this

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from an artistic point of view

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um and by the way the

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um the young lady that's standing with

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me is

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she is the widow of um

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johnny wilder

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who was

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yes he was the uh the leader of heatwave

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and she came out for the ceremony this

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is actually our dedicated the day of our

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dedication ceremony

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and these are

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some members of faiso

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and on the end there is keith harrison

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who's a really good friend of mine

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and my brothers

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and there we have me and steve shockley

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in the middle who's from lakeside and

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the there's the young man that's on the

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other side is uh simeon uh on the yeah

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who helped me

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really most particularly on the lakeside

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mural

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and here is

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i couldn't do every single person from

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every single band and i'm still catching

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flat you know still

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i'm still i'm still

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i'm still getting beat up

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but i had to

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now i have to say i pick more ohio

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players than i did anybody else and i

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don't know if that was subconscious or

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because they were the

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band you know they were

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you know they were the impetus you know

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and so that's because you're smart

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i don't know about that [ __ ] but

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that's debatable

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but um

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at the very top is

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that's keith wilder

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i mean not keith wilder keith harrison

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from from faiso that's tyrone crum from

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faiso

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on horn as you mentioned that's pee-wee

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little brooks

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from ohio players steve shockley

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sach from the ohio players mark woods

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johnny wilder from heatwave

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billy beckett

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from the ohio players

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we have two murals that were just

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dedicated to

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some of the members of the various bands

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and we have uh steve erickson

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on the left then

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leroy sugar footballer which is like one

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of my favorite

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you know entertainers of all time

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marshall jones who was a bass player for

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the ohio players

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and diamond williams the drummer

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for the ohio players who was here

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yesterday

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the drag

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with the fro and then we have uh mark

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adams both from slay

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then we have uh keith wilder and roger

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troutman

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and so here's a more comprehensive

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layout of the mural itself

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each band we came up with

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a concept for like an album concept now

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son we could kind of you know kind of

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use theirs we couldn't use the ohio

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players original honey no we couldn't we

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couldn't do that

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we would have never got off the ground

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and so uh but we used uh

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with zap we used computer love

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base the uh

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the

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uh you know the uh

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neural spot off of that and that's what

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we did with most of the

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with the uh of the other artists now

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this is a very interesting mural that i

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can never get a good shot there's always

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something there's always somebody parked

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in this parking lot

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it's on germantown and it's uh across

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the street from the desoto bass courts

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i'm i can't i'm having a hard time

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finding out who who painted it but it's

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a

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just a mural to

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as you can see there's zap and then

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there's a lakeside reference in there

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somewhere i hope i got it on the other

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side but anyway i thought it was a very

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interesting

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mural

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and there's some other

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cultural things around hook's barbecue

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you know one of the main stages here

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and good samaritan hospital which is

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which is gone now

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it's a decent reference to from

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yeah there's lakeside

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it is it's the caroline towers

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and you have uh evelyn c moses and and

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and dumb you know paulos dunbar

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and this is um

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this is a mural right across the street

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from

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roger troutman's uh historical marker

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and his statue

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which someone did and i guess you know i

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don't know who did it i mean

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you know this is you know kind of

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it's not a disaster it's just that's

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what it is what it is

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um

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it's in disrepair

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you know um and actually

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visually this was the impetus

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for me

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to create the funk mural

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because i saw this and

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at the time uh when i saw this in

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2015

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2016 there was no historical marker yet

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for roger but

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i said that's it

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i mean i i i dug the mural you know

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itself but i'm saying i didn't see any

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other references to any other band

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artistically you know so

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this was really the impetus that got me

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to thinking

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something to

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to honor all the funk bands that came

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what would be morris what would be

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involved in repairing that and would

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could anybody just go up and repair it

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or do you have to get permission you'd

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probably have to give permission because

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i don't really know who owns the

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building now

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i don't know who the artist is i mean it

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you know it probably would be some

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you know some some barriers

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you know i just don't think you can just

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go up there you know and fix it

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because if i thought that i did it

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already but but you know

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i something something to consider now

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and like i said and like i was stating

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earlier i really came out of here with

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more questions than i did answers

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and this is of course

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roger's

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statue which is titled i can make you

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dance

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it was created by dating artist

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michael baxter

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and it did it was commissioned by um

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a group called the

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um the phoenix

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phoenix group

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and there's uh roger's historical marker

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have one more thing i want to add

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and have to go into my email again

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hahaha

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it's the slide i sent you yes right now

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it was there

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yeah this morning

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that's nice

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okay that that was uh actually

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shot by um

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a friend of mine lynn pringle

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um

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who's uh i think a former music exec

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with motown who has relocated back here

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today and

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he could be here today he had a serious

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last week

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so he's doing okay

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but that was for the

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dedication of

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turning stone street to

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land the funk way which was actually

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keith harrison and i and a young lady

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who was helping me on the project at

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that time of brittany mom we were

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brainstorming actually um

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at panera bread on brown street

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and keith's face and lava farm

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and that was it you know so

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i hope lakeside is okay

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but

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i did want to kind of throw something

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out there before we have for there are

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any questions but

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because of the lack of art

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not only regarding dysfunctionally but

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music in general here in the dayton area

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i've been seriously thinking about how

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to

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propose a another mural that would be

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for some of the

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bands that weren't quite as famous

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and

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so that's something that i'm going to

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you know start to uh talk with stan

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about and

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some

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some

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other members from the group platypus

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and so um

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shadow and you

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can you talk a little bit about the halo

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project and the help you had

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the halo project is a counting project a

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county juvenile court project

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that was started by

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brittany long and

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jerry stanner from

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k12 arts and gallery and

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i believe it's double digit years now

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that that started but

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halo is the acronym for helping

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adolescents achieve long-term objectives

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and so

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what it does is it allows

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kids who have had a little trouble with

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the court to

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participate in

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public heart murals

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and it's been very successful and

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i want to say we had about 16 kids i

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believe that

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helped

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to

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complete that fund bureau

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downtown and that leads into a

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description of what your work is that

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you do many many days

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yes i um

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i teach in the

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[Music]

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juvenile

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two juvenile court facilities um

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um i did teach at the the

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the detention center downtown before

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cole did but when colgate came that was

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that was it that was the end

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so i've been going in as a private

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contractor for over four years

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for k-12 and

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matter of fact yesterday i turned my art

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class into

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a music class to the best of my ability

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me not being a musician but

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but i wanted them to

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get get some familiarity with some of

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the people who have come out of david

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who had made music who were famous all

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over the world and they they're not you

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know most of the young people they're

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just not aware of it

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um

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and so there's a there's a lot of work

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that needs to be done

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um

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to

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get these

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um

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facts out about

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exactly what the musicians here at

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dayton accomplished

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and you know make that more of a

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of a conversation and more of uh

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um

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i'm trying to find the right words to

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put it but

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i'm just going to be simple and plain

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they just need to

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know

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this information and you know i don't

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know if we need to get stronger media

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presence or or

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a documentary needs to be made um you

402
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know i'm not sure but maybe all

403
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of the above

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but

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most of the kids they have no idea

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you have a mayor elect who's ready to

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help you do this

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i bet money on it after hearing his talk

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this morning

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i'm gonna

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take that into strong consideration i

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hope so

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i hope so

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can you talk a little bit about how what

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materials you use to do the murals and

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how they're preserved and how often they

417
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have to be redone i'm thinking about the

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one that's falling apart and how how

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long the one that you've done is going

420
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to last well

421
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probably what has happened with the with

422
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this mural is

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it was never

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uh it was never coated with anything it

425
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was never coated with any protectant or

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anything it's just the elements

427
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over the years have just weathered it

428
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and it's just

429
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um it's you know it's just weathered it

430
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on down it hasn't been it was never

431
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protected

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that's pretty clear

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because it's actually peeling

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there's no

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um vandalism or anything like that it's

436
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just actually deteriorating

437
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the pain is just actually peeling

438
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and so um and it also could be too that

439
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it looks like

440
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because i'm looking at the way that the

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paint is peeling off and it's peeling

442
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all the way down to the brick it never

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was primed

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because uh if you see this um

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it step over you a little bit

446
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but if you see this open area here this

447
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is down to the brick

448
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and you know i don't you know i just

449
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don't think prime paint would have

450
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peeled like that i think

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um

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that's what happened that's just my

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guess um

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because you know when you you just can't

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go and paint on a wall you have it has

456
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to be primed

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um just like you would paint your room i

458
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mean it has to be primed with

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with something underneath

460
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that's a barrier between the paint and

461
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the surface

462
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and that wasn't done

463
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and so

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the funk mural itself about

465
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maybe six to nine months after it was

466
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completed

467
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it was

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graffiti protected

469
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was used to

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to seal it

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and so

472
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you know what does that mean that if

473
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somebody tries to put graffiti on it you

474
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can just wash it off right oh okay

475
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that i'm not sure about

476
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but i think it's

477
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i think it's pretty pretty pretty good

478
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while

479
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but i'm not exactly sure but i think

480
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it's a pretty good one more than a few

481
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years

482
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did you see the funk

483
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section on the third street bridge it

484
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,280
just reopened i haven't seen it yet but

485
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,039
i have not seen it no and there's also

486
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isn't there a statue of roger troutman

487
00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:30,640
too somewhere

488
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i can't remember

489
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i think i saw one but i don't remember

490
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where it is

491
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it's not here

492
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no

493
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no it's not it's not good so are there

494
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any questions any questions or comments

495
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okay the mural is stunning the the

496
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colors are so vibrant i love it i'm

497
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curious do you have a before picture

498
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:06,400
you know what what did it look like

499
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:09,600
before let me see if i can find it okay

500
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:13,919
oh you made the wall itself yeah yeah

501
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,919
and you just kind of redo the area

502
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and i also just love that you involved

503
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16

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of the halo

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students

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if you could talk about how they felt

507
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after it

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well

509
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it was that's a very good question

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because they

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actually

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were able to get a history lesson

513
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while they were

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learning some for the first time

515
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learning how to paint

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and so we're learning how to work

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together and learning how but we had a

518
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large group

519
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and

520
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they were

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we had no

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real

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incidents of you know of any

524
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significance you know i mean kids gonna

525
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be kids but nothing to write home about

526
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and so uh

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i think they

528
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and one thing that i told them is that

529
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no matter

530
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where you go no matter if when you come

531
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back home you know if you live here or

532
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if you leave here and you come you'll

533
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:13,120
always know

534
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that you had a

535
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you had a part

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in making that making that that the funk

537
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feel possible

538
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was it all boys

539
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no then we had young ladies as a matter

540
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:26,000
of fact i'm sure i have

541
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um

542
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,640
most of the most of the time uh you have

543
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,400
to be real careful with uh a juvenile

544
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,400
court even though they're you know these

545
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,480
kids are grown now but

546
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,320
um

547
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you know you have to you know get

548
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:44,320
permission and things like that to show

549
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,320
their photos but let's go to 2018

550
00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:54,760
i have to look at some of my pack

551
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,760
ratedness

552
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,760
now that's how it looks

553
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,679
yeah so before

554
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,840
as you can see all the

555
00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:40,400
the uh what we call the x which are the

556
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:43,440
spaces the individual spaces um

557
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,440
we're all prime

558
00:26:43,679 --> 00:26:48,799
you have to clean them first

559
00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:52,120
a little power washing now

560
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:52,120
a little bit

561
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,279
yeah bro

562
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:02,080
that's my real brother

563
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,799
i'm the youngest but uh

564
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:09,039
i'm gonna run everything no i'm just

565
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:10,320
kidding um

566
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:12,720
but uh no

567
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,480
the question i had because i think uh if

568
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,880
i recall

569
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,760
originally you were gonna be under the

570
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:23,440
vidoc inside there and there was a

571
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:25,440
reason why you chose not to

572
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,440
because we could see over far on the far

573
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,399
end that's the street that runs under

574
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,080
the

575
00:27:28,399 --> 00:27:31,520
trestle of eye that kind of want to call

576
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,039
it and uh

577
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,799
you said that there was a reason why you

578
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:36,799
didn't want to you chose not to

579
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,840
do it that way what what was the

580
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,320
reasoning behind that well the the

581
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,080
reason was is that

582
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:50,000
visually

583
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:51,840
people would not be able to stop

584
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,880
you know um

585
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,320
you know

586
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,720
they would have to find somewhere to

587
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,880
park and and all that and

588
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,480
you know and plus it was really really

589
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,559
deteriorating

590
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,320
um

591
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:06,159
you know inside of there you know like

592
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,919
under the

593
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:12,000
under there was really bad and um

594
00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:14,799
i'm so

595
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,200
using you know listening to people and

596
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:18,960
not just myself and we you know we came

597
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,880
to the conclusion that it wasn't you

598
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,880
know it was a better idea to bring it

599
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,880
out onto the street

600
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:31,440
which turned out to be the best idea

601
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:33,360
because it would have been awkward for

602
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,960
for people to

603
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:37,520
to to see

604
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:40,720
way more awkward than just having this

605
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,720
open street um

606
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:45,039
you know i got a lot of money so you

607
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,039
know

608
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,279
let's see here we have

609
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,399
one of the young ladies that was in the

610
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:00,399
very beginning

611
00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:03,200
you know working on one of you one of

612
00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:06,159
the geometric um

613
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,760
vignettes that we have

614
00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:09,440
it's kind of you know

615
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,399
kind of funky

616
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,399
you know

617
00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:13,399
geometrics

618
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:21,120
how long did it take

619
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:25,240
it took from april to

620
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,240
around the end of september

621
00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:55,320
most of them

622
00:29:57,919 --> 00:30:02,480
have you followed up on video and you

623
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:05,520
know what's happening a few

624
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:08,000
and actually one of the young men is

625
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,559
actually um

626
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,880
roger troutman's great nephew

627
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:16,240
because actually i believe is terry i

628
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,240
believe is terry's grandson

629
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,080
and he was uh

630
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,720
he actually worked on

631
00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:27,200
he actually worked on uh

632
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,070
the computer love you know

633
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,130
you know so

634
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:31,130
[Music]

635
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,559
and this is when it was in a you know

636
00:30:35,679 --> 00:30:38,559
another stage

637
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,960
so no i didn't didn't do that by myself

638
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,640
any other questions

639
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:09,679
you kind of answered part of it uh

640
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:11,039
earlier with platypus because i was

641
00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:13,519
going to ask if they were on there but

642
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:15,600
you indicated that they weren't

643
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:18,240
when you do something that's extensive

644
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,279
and you include so many people there's

645
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,200
always gonna

646
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:24,080
be people that feel like they've been

647
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:26,320
left out have you had any pushback from

648
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,080
anybody locally saying hey you didn't

649
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,919
put my cousin up there you didn't put my

650
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,080
nephew up there or it hasn't been all

651
00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:34,880
positive well for the most part this is

652
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:37,360
a soft it's like a soft push it's not

653
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:40,559
like you know people cussing me out at

654
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,279
least not to my face anyway so

655
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:43,279
but

656
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:44,640
um

657
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:48,240
that's why

658
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:51,279
the idea of uh

659
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,440
doing another bureau

660
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:54,640
to look at some of the groups that

661
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,000
didn't

662
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,120
reach that

663
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,399
you know that that you know that that

664
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,240
plateau

665
00:32:00,399 --> 00:32:03,440
uh because we picked seven groups we

666
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,039
picked zap

667
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:10,480
the ohio players faizo sun

668
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:12,000
heatwave um lakeside

669
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,760
and uh roger

670
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,320
roger

671
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,840
he said slave slavery and slave

672
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,679
yeah

673
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,720
um

674
00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:22,720
because um

675
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,519
get back to that because um

676
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:35,200
they um we you know when i first started

677
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:36,320
to when i first started i mean

678
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,480
um

679
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,279
these were the groups that everybody

680
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,840
knew

681
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:44,559
and these were the groups that that that

682
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,000
tried to target i mean you know um

683
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:48,799
you know chartered

684
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:52,159
and you know and were you know very

685
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:54,840
influential in music for musicians and

686
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:58,320
all around the world so

687
00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:00,320
um you know in art you can't please

688
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,320
everybody you can't please everybody in

689
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,200
anything so not just art you can't

690
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,360
please

691
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,960
everybody in anything so

692
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:10,159
um

693
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,399
you know it's always um

694
00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:14,240
matter of fact not only

695
00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:16,000
have some people complain about who's

696
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,720
not on there some people have complained

697
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,880
about who is on there

698
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,880
so

699
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:24,640
and so it's

700
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,960
it's it's a couple of things that

701
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,960
happened i mean i had to be reminded um

702
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:35,039
you know um shared by

703
00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:36,720
tony allen that i almost left jimmy

704
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:38,720
morrison

705
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,519
and uh

706
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,120
that

707
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:43,919
that would have you know that would have

708
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,799
not been good

709
00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:48,159
and so um what i what i did was just

710
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:50,320
pick

711
00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:51,919
you know some people from each group

712
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,519
instead of trying to do everything

713
00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:54,960
because you gotta think these are large

714
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:57,360
groups

715
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,440
you know i mean

716
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,320
how many how many bad members this the

717
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,519
slaves have scott i mean it could be i

718
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,279
think upwards of

719
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:09,440
around 1915 because they had

720
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:10,960
like um

721
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,240
started you know their jobs they were

722
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,280
assigned to the

723
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:16,079
production company yeah so

724
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,639
yeah

725
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:21,520
and where you have to have it's hard to

726
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:23,119
ascertain like what is the lie yeah

727
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,760
and so you're right

728
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:26,960
you you can't get everything

729
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,800
possible

730
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,560
because

731
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:35,399
because there's some ohio players that i

732
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,399
left i mean that's right i love channel

733
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:42,079
you know i mean if people want to get

734
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,440
really technical um i left uh

735
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:46,879
um

736
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:50,560
robert was in robert ward yeah yeah

737
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:50,560
yeah so i mean

738
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:54,399
you know you just have to make a

739
00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:56,639
decision and you know go with the design

740
00:34:54,399 --> 00:35:00,960
that you have and you know just hope for

741
00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:02,560
the best but most of it but 90 but 90 99

742
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,359
have been positive

743
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,400
yes

744
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:08,640
there are no women are there

745
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,640
no

746
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,760
no and

747
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:15,680
um no

748
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:19,119
no and and because that that was another

749
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,119
that was another um

750
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,359
you know that was another you know uh

751
00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:26,720
controversy so

752
00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:28,000
um

753
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:31,040
because

754
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,040
solely i'm

755
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:38,079
when you look at the next mural

756
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,240
in who

757
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:45,200
you will look at having on there as far

758
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:47,280
as groups concerned are you at that

759
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,079
point are you going to look at some of

760
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,240
the female artists from the area and

761
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:53,839
then and some you know some folks as

762
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:55,359
well so yeah

763
00:35:53,839 --> 00:35:56,800
yeah brother because what is what is

764
00:35:55,359 --> 00:35:59,040
turning what is going to what is

765
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,119
starting to look like i'm sad it's

766
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,320
starting to look like i'm you know not

767
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:04,480
something you know

768
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,240
that's what it's starting to look like

769
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:09,760
because there's a group called dayton

770
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:11,359
yeah yeah you know you know

771
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,880
i never heard of david until we started

772
00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:16,880
doing this concert yeah i think they

773
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,920
made one album if i'm not mistaken yeah

774
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,599
but yeah

775
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,920
yeah so we're starting it's starting to

776
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:23,200
look like unsung and

777
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,760
i mean

778
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,079
i didn't even i mean until until scott

779
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,800
played touch of love

780
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:33,359
you know i forgot that they had added a

781
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,520
female singer to slave

782
00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:37,200
yeah like you know

783
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,760
i have forgotten of course zap had a

784
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:43,119
female singer she's still around yes yes

785
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,320
i met her and uh i felt like about this

786
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,440
big

787
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,960
you know

788
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,560
you know because

789
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,119
once again it's just

790
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,520
a you know a terrible oversight well as

791
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:57,040
i said at the beginning of the symposium

792
00:36:53,520 --> 00:37:00,000
last time we did this in 2018 there were

793
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:02,720
very few women represented and almost no

794
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,960
no almost no women represented and very

795
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,800
few women presenters

796
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,560
and this time we changed that we got

797
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,839
some women presenters and we had some

798
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,960
conversations presentations about women

799
00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:14,000
um

800
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,680
you know some

801
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,119
they have been very very good and

802
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,320
changed the whole

803
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:21,200
whole view of the whole 70s and 80s time

804
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,000
period

805
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,839
but a lot of the number of women that

806
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,960
i've connected with don't want to talk

807
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:28,960
about it

808
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,160
they toured with the bands that's that's

809
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,920
all they have to talk about they don't

810
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,920
want to talk about those those touring

811
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:37,760
and touring tips with the bands on the

812
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:40,320
road that was not a fun time for them

813
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,160
and i think they're glad they did it did

814
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,640
the performance but

815
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:48,960
getting them to talk i i said i wanted

816
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:51,200
to have a session just on some of the

817
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,200
women around who did the costumes for

818
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,200
those groups there's some still around

819
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,280
here where you were one where are you

820
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,880
yeah i know i i was trying to get a

821
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,359
session together i never could really

822
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,440
make it work so i just sort of gave up

823
00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:05,599
and kept going but we we had much better

824
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,520
representation from women this time

825
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:10,000
some very good

826
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,000
uh very good information very good um

827
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,280
presentations

828
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,280
also did she did

829
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,960
give it to her here because she did a

830
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,079
mural that doesn't i don't know if it

831
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,079
even exists anymore

832
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:27,599
my name is delorah buford buchanan and

833
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,560
i'm a retired art teacher

834
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,960
and

835
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:34,160
what i used to do is

836
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,839
i had maybe about seven bands i did

837
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,880
i did uh

838
00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:41,520
costumes for back then i was slave

839
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:45,119
and slave was touring with rick james

840
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:48,160
and so my my daughter here was little

841
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:49,520
and when we go backstage they put her up

842
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,720
on the

843
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,200
podium

844
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:55,760
not the podium but the speakers while i

845
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,440
was in the room getting slaves

846
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,640
costumes done

847
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,240
and

848
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,920
rick james came through and he had a

849
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:05,040
chenille

850
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,599
robe on that trained and trailed and he

851
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,119
had somebody that carried the end of it

852
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:11,520
and i heard him out there and he was

853
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:13,119
talking to pegasi and he said hey little

854
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,400
lady are they treating you all right out

855
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:19,040
here and she said yes and then i got to

856
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,359
you know he can see him doing that but

857
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:24,160
then they went on to japan and they went

858
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:26,480
to europe and they were my clothes and i

859
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:29,280
decided to dress them in like

860
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:32,320
rags and so they're totally in rags and

861
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,560
there's magnificent rags and so then i

862
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,880
did belting and whatnot so i had

863
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:40,079
pictures and things that i drew for that

864
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:42,960
but then my other bands i did for a

865
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:45,119
fellow named shawnee mac and the package

866
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,920
and i would do belts and things like

867
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:48,560
that

868
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,200
and then the women's group that i that i

869
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,400
did there's one called hot number

870
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,720
and

871
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,119
so barbara

872
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:58,560
yeah i'm colleen and so right now i'm

873
00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,920
doing a

874
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,400
album cover

875
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:03,520
for what's left of hot number those

876
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,000
girls

877
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:08,560
and um i'm supposed to be i just

878
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,880
finished working on it i did figures and

879
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,319
then other

880
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,160
flat

881
00:40:12,319 --> 00:40:16,160
geometric shapes

882
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,400
behind them and things like that is

883
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,119
going to be kind of interesting

884
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,920
but

885
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:24,560
colleen is still here and so is the bass

886
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,079
player and the drummer of hot number

887
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,640
but when i was

888
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:30,960
16 and i got my license

889
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,839
daddy let me go because i wanted to see

890
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:36,240
the ohio players opening at this

891
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:38,800
place album germantown

892
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:40,720
and he said i'm from zinnia he said well

893
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,880
is anybody gonna go with you and i said

894
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:44,800
i don't care i'm gonna go myself

895
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,880
so to see

896
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,760
colleen from hot number and ralph

897
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,520
against from faiso

898
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,920
we used to all skate together and go

899
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,560
roller skaters as kids

900
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,079
that's my a picture right there of

901
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,160
my mirror all right that you were

902
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:02,000
showing that's one of them

903
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,359
that i did and then i did

904
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,599
i picked

905
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:08,160
for the other side i picked

906
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:09,359
bass players and guitar players to do

907
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,040
so that

908
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:13,280
i wouldn't have to pick everybody you

909
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,800
know like what you were saying so i did

910
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,400
that and then

911
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,200
and all

912
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,800
but when i first saw the ohio players

913
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,800
i was 16

914
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,280
and i was driving over there to the

915
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,520
oakley club that's where i was going

916
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,520
and

917
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,960
i got it

918
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,760
then i went to some

919
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,680
where other

920
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,960
players i would go to club ebony and all

921
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,079
these places

922
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,319
back then

923
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:42,319
and uh so

924
00:41:40,319 --> 00:41:43,760
sugarfoot was my favorite he had these

925
00:41:42,319 --> 00:41:45,359
straight across eyes and i thought they

926
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,280
were interesting and they did this

927
00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:49,599
guitar and it made me think of my

928
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,880
brother and all this kind of thing

929
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:54,160
so

930
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:56,000
colleen and them since they were only 14

931
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,000
and ralph aikens and them they had to

932
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,240
have their mothers and fathers come with

933
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,040
them to go but then i would go and see

934
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,280
them

935
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,640
and so now uh some of them are

936
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,119
grandparents

937
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,200
and all but it was intermission and

938
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,960
somebody put their hand out to

939
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,480
to help me up the steps and it was

940
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,599
sugarfoot

941
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,440
and i had

942
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:17,680
i thought oh my goodness i just touched

943
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,200
his hand and you know like that and as

944
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:22,560
the years went on

945
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,560
i would go places to see him or

946
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,560
play and have just him but all that

947
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:30,760
that's my other mural right there that

948
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,760
one that's the one i did

949
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:38,000
and so uh

950
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,920
one time one of my bands was called uh

951
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,640
lyd in the

952
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:45,200
ly yeah that's my other one so i have

953
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:48,000
ralph atkins and and

954
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,599
rick james that i did a group called the

955
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,760
slam band

956
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:53,280
and then i had another group called i

957
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,200
don't know i was the oyd in the head

958
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:58,240
with marty and yolanda

959
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,760
uh that yolanda never playing right now

960
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:01,760
and marty

961
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,760
and so then i would go to all the george

962
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,160
clinton things that i could find i'd go

963
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,000
to sandusky or go wherever

964
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,760
and so i would have i had some of my

965
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,040
clothes still that i wore

966
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,480
when i would go

967
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,160
see them

968
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,359
and and whatnot

969
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:19,839
but at the end of sugarfoot's uh

970
00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:21,040
life he was kind of walking

971
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:23,200
he would

972
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,119
he would be at the island park and

973
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,800
sometimes i'd have bands that were had

974
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:28,319
costumes there

975
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,880
and then there's some

976
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:34,400
a hot number and the red hat she's the

977
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:37,200
bass player that's now still still plays

978
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,319
and then mark adams

979
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,119
down there

980
00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:42,880
in my ragged clothes and danny is the

981
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:45,440
top

982
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,440
and uh

983
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:51,599
yeah i do jimmy hendrix at the top and

984
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:55,280
the clouds and roger and some of them

985
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:57,359
that are gone i put them in the clouds

986
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,160
what happened to that girl they tore it

987
00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:02,720
down when they were made out of those

988
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,000
i have i have photos of me in front of

989
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:06,880
it i would work

990
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,640
at night like until dawn and they kept

991
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,400
covered so you couldn't see

992
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,520
what was that's what uh what's his name

993
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,480
david

994
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:17,119
had covered the area so people couldn't

995
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,880
look in and then when don came i would i

996
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:20,319
would go home and i'd work at

997
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,599
you know tonight and then my daughter

998
00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:25,440
jacoby was doing guitars and my daughter

999
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:28,079
here would be

1000
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,319
cutting out things that i needed and

1001
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:34,240
and cleaning up she said she's my good

1002
00:44:30,319 --> 00:44:34,240
cleanup girl she knows how to do stuff

1003
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:41,280
that mural was down on third street

1004
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,000
and the other part of it was that

1005
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,480
the

1006
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,680
graffiti is still there you can see it

1007
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,359
in the window

1008
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,960
there's something called water street or

1009
00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:51,280
something like that

1010
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,520
and so one side they tore down that side

1011
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,839
which i thought oh i just like that one

1012
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,440
but anyway the other side is still there

1013
00:44:55,839 --> 00:44:58,800
i saw the other day somebody said the

1014
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,280
lord that's still

1015
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,400
uh down there because i was trying to

1016
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,200
get

1017
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,720
on the other side there's photos that i

1018
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,960
had uh

1019
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:12,079
put on there of all the different beds

1020
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:14,480
and places that i had

1021
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:16,480
been and taken pictures of them

1022
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,960
and and all and then

1023
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,960
like bark adams he has his son that

1024
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,760
plays the base now

1025
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,760
and

1026
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,800
i brought something just in case i saw

1027
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,720
it

1028
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,680
that was similar to what his father had

1029
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:32,560
on that that time uh the rags so in case

1030
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,640
i saw him at this thing i was going to

1031
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,760
see if he wanted to have it

1032
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,760
and why not so that's what yeah

1033
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,160
and and as for you

1034
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,520
artist over there he's just one of my

1035
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:47,720
favorite people

1036
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,720
right there that large was

1037
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:56,160
i missed an opportunity i'm one of the

1038
00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:57,839
emcees or saturday night's concert i

1039
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,160
should have contracted you to make me an

1040
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:02,319
outfit to wear

1041
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,400
it's too late

1042
00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:06,400
anyway tonight

1043
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,920
saturday night yes

1044
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,359
i didn't have enough courage to dig

1045
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,000
around and do that i was afraid of what

1046
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:14,560
i'd end up wearing but

1047
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,000
anyway thank you so much for sharing and

1048
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,480
sharing your background and you were an

1049
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:22,480
art teacher right i was my teacher for

1050
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:25,760
about 30 years i taught uh babysitting

1051
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,040
fairborn and then for 20 years

1052
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,560
oh my gosh

1053
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,720
and then in the summers i would teach

1054
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,480
upward bound at central state

1055
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:34,000
in the afternoon and morning i would

1056
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,240
teach you

1057
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,760
a little bit well thank you very much

1058
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:39,839
for sharing your story

1059
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,520
it was really really great

1060
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:44,480
and thank you mars for sharing your

1061
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,480
story um

1062
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:49,119
it's just wonderful

1063
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:50,720
this these symposiums have brought

1064
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,400
people together that have never we've

1065
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:54,720
never been together that weren't for

1066
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,720
this