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programs to deangela duff and

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she's from nyu and we're very glad that

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she's so patient that she waited for us

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and let's welcome her please with a

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round of applause

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thank you so much

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so would you like for me to get started

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yes yes we can hear you

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okay all right so um thank you so much

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sharon for inviting me to present and

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i've actually um created a video and i'm

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actually just going to play that video

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and i welcome any questions that you

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might have afterwards

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um it is a privilege to be doing this so

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thank you can you share the screen okay

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don't try yes okay i will be able to do

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so

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once thanks

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i love your outfit whatever it is

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and um let me know if it's not loud

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enough or if it's too loud i have it i'm

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gonna have a little low because i don't

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want it to be too loud

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so let's see

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so can you see my screen it should say

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yes yes we can see

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okay awesome

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hello my name is deangela duff and today

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i would like to talk to you about prince

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and the ohio players

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i want to start at the beginning for

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some context prince rogers nelson yes

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prince is on his birth certificate was

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born june 7 1958

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in minneapolis minnesota

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the picture on the right is from october

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of 1958 with his mother maddie

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it's really important to set this

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context that prince was a midwestern

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prince

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never really left minneapolis he resided

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in minneapolis at the height of his fame

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he had homes all over the world um in la

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but his home base was minneapolis he was

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born there and he died there at his home

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of paisley park which is a 65 000 square

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chanhassen minnesota that prince built

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paisley park has been turned into a

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museum and this was part of prince's

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wishes before he passed there is an

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james brown george clinton miles davis

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stevie wonder on this list that prince

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he held at paisley park you will see

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hendricks santana but when it comes to

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prince was definitely a disciple of

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james brown i'm going to show you a very

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short clip of baby i'm a star this

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grammy awards

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and you immediately see that he's a

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disciple of james brown there's no doubt

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he spoke about sly early interviews

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enemy this is from 1981 by chris

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play them and the wii that he's

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that he put together with his childhood

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neal carly interviewed prince and in

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this article neil carlin asks

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black that's really the only thing we

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have in common he plays different guitar

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hear more of a santana influence than

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princely life and funk

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and funk wasn't anything we invented

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the great inventors from chuck berry

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irresistible so much effing fun

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that we naturally copy the cats that

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players and all the others so yes we

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did it to pay respect to our elders

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andre simone would essentially say the

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same thing that morris day said about

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the influence of the ohio players and a

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symposium that i organized last year

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bridge this clip you'll be seeing is

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andre simone joe jones will be in the

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being like a hotbed of bands man running

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you know a band oriented funk

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artist so it seemed like he would thrive

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the video it's really just a carryover

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this is really important to understand

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love of the ohio players is he appeared

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girl and before his appearance on this

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playlist for a party on that playlist

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there are two ohio players songs fire

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this is notable because prince often

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earlier in his career there were

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dwayne tudol's prince studio session

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series he wrote that susan rogers who

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cincinnati ohio while prince was on tour

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most likely quote because of its

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incredible history of funk music which

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included music by the ohio players

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studio prince primarily worked on sheila

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subsidiary of warner brothers

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his music was encouraged by parents

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relatives and other members of the local

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community who also played instruments

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and maddie was initially a jazz vocalist

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musical life is bernardette anderson who

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is the mother of andre simone

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you can see bernadette she is in the

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the right and you see andre in the top

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row all the way to the right with the

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hat on and next to bernadette is andre's

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sister linda and everybody else are

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siblings of andre except for the guy

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and they became immediate and fast

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friends

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jamming the exact same day that they met

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one another and they were inseparable

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prince essentially moved in

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with the andersons living in their

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basement scott brown in his essay

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atlanta funk dayton ohio in the edited

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volume the funk era and beyond edited by

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tony bolden talks about how important

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schools are in the development of benny

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and while the church is critical for

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burgeoning musicians such as my personal

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favorite cory henry

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schools particularly during the 60s and

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70s were just as critical brown

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discusses quotes schools however were

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the elemental place for both music

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performance and education of would-be

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funksters in their adolescent years and

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held a special place in the story of

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dayton funk

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end quote so this was prince's main high

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school band grand central the reason why

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i pointed out linda is that linda

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anderson andre's sister is in grand

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central linda was on keyboards andre was

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on base moore's day was on drums terry

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was on percussion prince was on guitar

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and keyboards

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hollywood was on percussion

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andre would continue to

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be with prince during prince's first

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touring band

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andre told prince in the beginning that

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he he would help him get started but

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that he wanted to embark on his own solo

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career

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and before the controversy tour andre

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bowed beldow and began his own solo

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career

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again in atlanta funk day in ohio by

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scott brown he wrote quote a walk

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through virtually any predominantly

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black urban neighborhood in the 1970s

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decade may have been accompanied by a

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soundtrack supplied by bands rehearsing

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or playing at an outdoor gathering at a

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park end quote

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like dayton minneapolis was no different

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there are many talent shows and local

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battle of the bands andrea swenson wrote

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in her

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wonderful book got to be something here

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the rise of the minneapolis sound which

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was released in 2017

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that there was a place where many

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musicians gathered the now defunct north

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minneapolis community center named the

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way pictured here when it had been

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rebranded the new way which according to

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swenson quote served as an incubator and

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a launch pad for many other artists we

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now associate with the minneapolis sound

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end quote

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spike moss was one of the ways key

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figures noticed the title of this

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article 10 years after plymouth avenue

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plymouth avenue was a site of civil

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unrest in north minneapolis you can see

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the aftermath and boardrop storefronts

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in these two photos from 1967.

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to learn more about the way

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spike moss and civil unrest watch the

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unofficial documentary mr nelson on the

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north side which was released earlier

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this year

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swenson also rallies that quote the more

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retreat prince like a singular creature

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who must have been beamed down to earth

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because he couldn't have possibly

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emerged from an actual place the more we

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helped to erase the generations of

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influential jazz gospel soul r b and

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funk musicians who first made it

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possible for african americans to earn a

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living making music in minnesota and

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contributed to the ongoing evolution of

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sound that eventually enraptured a young

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mr nelson this audio compilation twin

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cities funk and soul released on secret

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stash records in 2012

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is a really great compilation of artists

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from the twin cities which is saint paul

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in minneapolis from 1964 to 1979. this

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is a wonderful place to start you know

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listening to what was going on

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musically in minneapolis and is a great

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companion piece

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to andrea swenson's book in addition to

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andrea swenson's book

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secret stash also created a wonderful

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newspaper companion to the cd

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compilation another compilation from the

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record label numero group is purple snow

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forecasting the minneapolis sound and

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this compilation concentrates on the

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late 1970s includes the lewis connection

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an early recording from andre simone

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alexander o'neal

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suanne carwell

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so ellis many others related to the

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prince camp one thing that should be

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noted about the title of andrew

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swenson's book is that it is based on a

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song

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from this album the lewis connection the

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song

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that the book's title comes from was

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written by sonny t

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he was a local musician who was a

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musical hero to both prince and andre if

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you look closely you can see that prince

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performed background vocals in guitar on

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the song

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prince was 18 or 19. even though the

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song is billed to the lewis connection

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the song was actually recorded by

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another one of sunny t's bands the

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family

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according to swenson prince was quote

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something of an understudy to the older

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generation of players

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the family would be imported to prince

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prince would later name a band he

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architected and possible tribute to

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sunny t's local minneapolis band the

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family in addition to family surrounding

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community and the local music scene

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local radio like wdao for dayton was

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also important in shaping princess

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musical shops kuxl

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was the only early black orient

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community radio station in the twin

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cities and swinson noted that it was

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quote barely audible outside a one mile

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radius of its north minneapolis adjacent

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station

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if you were to look at this

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supersoul 30 list from kuxl i just want

434
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you to be aware that on this list

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is the ohio players pleasure which i

436
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have a cover with the lovely model pat

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evans on it here

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prince was rooted in the self-contained

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ban again similar to ohio players

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this

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is the earliest known photo of prince

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and grand central it was discovered this

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year obviously existed before now but

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it hasn't come to the public's attention

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until now

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princess 16 here grand central was

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performing as part of a demolition

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ceremony for the ywca

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you can find this photo and

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video footage at the hennepin county

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library they have online archives and

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there is a very short snippet of the

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grand central i mean it's so short it's

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like seconds

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but that's the earliest known recording

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of prince as a live performer and again

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grand central you'll see andre

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simone on the base and the left you see

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andre's sister linda on the keys

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you have morris day on the drums

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you have terry jackson lauren percussion

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and you have prince over there in the

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plaid pants

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to the right

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with this afro

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prince released his solo debut in 1978

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on warner brothers records

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he was

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one of the youngest producers that

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warren brothers had prince had to jump

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through hoops to be able to produce his

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own record but he finally did and the

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byline written arranged composed

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produced and performed by prince emerge

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even though he was rooted as a

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midwestern funk self-contained band he

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was introduced to the world as a solo

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artist with 1984's purple rain prince

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ann

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started making an appearance

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so with 1984 it was prince and the

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revolution however if you look at the

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preceding album 1982's 1999 if you look

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very closely even though the spine is

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not contained in the revolution

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if you look at the closed eye what i

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call the football it is actually a

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closed eye you can see in the revolution

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backwards

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so technically prince of the revolution

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began with

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the 1999 album

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when people think of the revolution they

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think of this lineup immortalized in the

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1984 blockbuster film purple rain

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however there was an expanded version of

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the revolution towards the end of their

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tenure prince's longest running ban was

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prince and the mpg which went through

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nine different configurations from 1994

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to 2015. what you're seeing here is the

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second lineup sunny tea on

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base

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this band overlapped with

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the mpg towards the end of prince's

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career prince and third eye girl this is

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prince's female only band

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this band existed roughly from 2012 to

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2014.

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however my favorite band is the band

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with no name a term coined by my brother

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in love sexy carol pride this band was

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short-lived a pack a powerful punch this

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band also known as the sign of times

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love sexy band one thing i want to note

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about this love sexy band is that it

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primarily the bulk of it consisted of

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bay area artists sheila e is from the

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bay area

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oakland we buy caesars from the bay area

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mikko weaver's from the bay area by

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borders from the bay area so the core

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unit of this band was from the bay area

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and that is another really important

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music scene because santana was from

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that area as well for prince's first

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three solo records he was an

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amalgamation of r b soul the way

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rockabilly with flourishes a funk

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however controversy is where he truly

531
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allowed his funk flag to fly high in

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terms of his solo output and this this

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funk extravaganza wouldn't be topped

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until

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the shelved 1987 the black album which

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would have been released six years after

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controversy it's also known as the funk

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00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:29,600
bible and when the album was shelved it

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became one of the most bootleg albums

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ever until warner brothers officially

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released it seven years later in 1994

542
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but prince didn't dismiss the funk he

543
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just created a whole other

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self-contained band the time to channel

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his funk through

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in the beginning prince hit his

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involvement behind a fictitious producer

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named jamie starr in this 1981 article

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for local newspaper the minneapolis star

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john braim the music journalist who has

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covered prince throughout his entire

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career the longest in this article

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called time helps set hometown sound he

554
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writes prince was originally scheduled

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to produce this album but lead singer

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morris day and engineer jamie starr are

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given production credit in fact princess

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not even mentioned all the album credits

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it's too bad prince didn't stick around

560
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because the time could have benefited

561
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from his experience earlier this year on

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substance nelson george wrote in his

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newsletter the nelson george mixtape

564
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quote it was during these early tours at

565
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:35,280
prince day benton vanity and everyone on

566
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,679
his team perpetuated the fiction that

567
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:40,159
all this music was created by a

568
00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:42,559
mysterious producer named jamie starr

569
00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:44,640
since at that point no outside music

570
00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:47,039
journalist had yet ventured to the twin

571
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,440
cities to confirm this tale i

572
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:51,279
and everyone else just jotted it down

573
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,760
though it seemed odd that such a

574
00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:56,720
prodigious music maker had just suddenly

575
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,880
appeared out of the frigid minnesota air

576
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,400
less than two months later john breen

577
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,880
would write another article for the

578
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,840
minneapolis star and the cat was out of

579
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:09,120
the bag even though if you listen

580
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,960
closely prince is clearly all over this

581
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,960
record john brennan writes quote the

582
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,799
other night i had the strangest dream

583
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,279
prince was the time and the time was

584
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:20,080
prince prince was jamie star the

585
00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:21,520
producer here's a rare photo taken by

586
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,400
ellen bolio

587
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:27,120
a prince as jamie star over to the left

588
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:30,799
you can see this photo as well as a lot

589
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:33,520
of other incredible photos in the 2018

590
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:36,000
photo book prince before the rain by

591
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,640
alan bolio this is another photo that

592
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,120
you can find in the same book and i love

593
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,880
this photo because if you look at it you

594
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:45,120
can tell that morris day and prince are

595
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:48,240
just two peas in a pod for the first

596
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:50,480
three records the time was essentially

597
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,400
prince and moore's day prince played all

598
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,400
the instruments and all the songs are

599
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,240
written arranged composed produced and

600
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,320
performed by prince with significant

601
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,440
contributions for moore's day on vocals

602
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:04,400
obviously and then also drums the time

603
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,080
as a touring band was a self-contained

604
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,919
band unit

605
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,559
here's a snippet of the stick from the

606
00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:15,000
times debut at the met center in

607
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:15,000
bloomington minnesota in 1982

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[Music]

609
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so

610
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[Music]

611
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the time consists of jimmy jam and monty

612
00:25:53,679 --> 00:26:00,480
moyer on keys terry lewis on base

613
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:03,120
jelly bean johnson on drums

614
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:06,080
jesse johnson on guitar and jerome

615
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:08,320
bitten on mirror and percussion

616
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,520
everyone would become producers in their

617
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,279
own right

618
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,000
in my opinion prince channeled his love

619
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:16,640
of ohio players through the time as a

620
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:19,279
vehicle so one thing that you'll notice

621
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,559
about the time particularly the first

622
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:24,640
three albums are that they all contain a

623
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:27,760
sick song format which wouldn't be

624
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:30,480
broken until 1990's pandemonium again

625
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:33,360
three songs each side similar to the

626
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:36,000
ohio players 1971's pain and what we

627
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:38,159
have pictured here in 1974 is skin type

628
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,640
in addition to the six songs another

629
00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:43,520
aspect bar from the ohio players

630
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:46,799
was the one word anthem such as cool for

631
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,799
the time and fire for the ohio players

632
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:51,679
the only thing missing from the time

633
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:54,000
records is a sexy email on the cover

634
00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:55,919
otherwise so a modular ohio players

635
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,720
would have been a dead giveaway this is

636
00:26:55,919 --> 00:27:00,000
just an aside obviously there were other

637
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,039
musicians

638
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,039
who

639
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:05,440
had sexy girls on the cover this is one

640
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:08,240
of my favorites it was leon ware's

641
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:10,799
musical massage this record was released

642
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,440
in 1976 so this obviously heavily

643
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:16,159
borrowed from the ohio players cover so

644
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,960
the ohio player covers were iconic

645
00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:21,120
everyone saw them i know prince saw them

646
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:24,240
too well prince did not use sexy ladies

647
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:26,320
for his own album covers northern times

648
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,640
he put his own body out there several

649
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,440
times dirty mine was princess third

650
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,919
album

651
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,880
this is a shower poster that was

652
00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:37,520
included with 1981's controversy

653
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,440
princess fourth album and another prince

654
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,080
symposium that organized earlier this

655
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,919
year one plus one plus one is three if

656
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:47,200
you want to learn more about the

657
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:50,399
controversy poster zach hoskins of the

658
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,320
dmsr blog did a phenomenal talk called

659
00:27:50,399 --> 00:27:54,640
alan polio's infamous shower poster

660
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,440
aesthetic linchpin and artifact you can

661
00:27:54,640 --> 00:28:01,279
find it online if you google controversy

662
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:04,480
presentation zack hoskins and even more

663
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:07,120
insidiary and controversial love sexy

664
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:10,799
cover because it wasn't hidden inside it

665
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:13,440
was prince's nudity was blatantly on the

666
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:16,080
cover this was in 1988. however

667
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,159
princeton used a sexy lady in a pinup

668
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,240
style for his funk jazz instrumental

669
00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:23,919
project madhouse both albums were

670
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,760
released as bookends for the year 1987.

671
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:27,919
all of the songs were numbers on both

672
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,760
albums so first album was one two three

673
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:31,760
four five six seven

674
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,480
the second album you got it and cover

675
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:37,039
girl menissa lightner graced both allen

676
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,039
covers as well as all the singles in

677
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,799
between if you don't know about mad

678
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:42,480
house and want to learn more i invite

679
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:45,919
you to listen to the grown folks music

680
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:48,559
podcast that i produced just google

681
00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:49,919
grown folks music podcasts mad house

682
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,760
however you can definitely see the

683
00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:54,080
influence of the ohio players on sheila

684
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,159
e's third record which was on princess

685
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,440
paisley park records again

686
00:28:56,159 --> 00:28:58,880
several of the songs were written

687
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,440
arranged composed producer performer

688
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,360
prince on this release and the only

689
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,480
thing that really irks me about this

690
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,320
release was that it was not a gatefold

691
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,440
so you had to flip you know the album

692
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,360
over even at 16 years old when this was

693
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,559
released i was like why don't you have

694
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,320
an ohio players cover because i was used

695
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:20,799
to seeing ohio players because i grew up

696
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:23,840
with my uncles and aunt and they had

697
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:26,399
those gatefold albums now prince really

698
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,840
did get explicit with his

699
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:32,000
mpg record and this was released on

700
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,000
another one of prince's record labels

701
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,200
this time it was an independent record

702
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:40,159
label mpg records paisley park was again

703
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:43,120
a subsidiary of warner brothers so gold

704
00:29:40,159 --> 00:29:44,960
[ __ ] is the first solo album by the new

705
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,200
power generation who have previously

706
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,520
been credited on the prince of new power

707
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,520
generation albums diamonds and pearls

708
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,799
and love symbol it was also the first

709
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,240
album to be released by mpg records and

710
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:58,159
the majority of the record was written

711
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,799
and produced by prince with significant

712
00:29:58,159 --> 00:30:03,200
contribution from members of the mpg and

713
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:05,679
sunny t being one of those major

714
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,799
contributors i have like a little image

715
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:11,360
of the ohio player's skin tight record

716
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:14,320
because the album cover which is over to

717
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:17,279
the right really reminds me of this

718
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:19,679
particular album cover so this shelved

719
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:23,919
album from mpg records

720
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:25,600
in 2006 by tamar davis was going to be

721
00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:27,360
called milk and honey even though it was

722
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,120
originally titled beautiful love and

723
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,440
bless and it was going to be the

724
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,919
unreleased debut studio album from tamar

725
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:37,120
davis she goes by ashley taymar now and

726
00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:39,440
was recorded in 2005 early 2006

727
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:42,240
the album was advertised on a flyer

728
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,399
included in prince's 3121 album and

729
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,520
believe it or not prince toured as tamar

730
00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:49,440
davis as guitar player on the 2016 mod

731
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,120
tour to help promote the app before we

732
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,039
take a deep dive into prince's love with

733
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,799
ohio players it's important to note that

734
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:57,200
prince had a direct connection with

735
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:59,760
another dayton ohio based musician roger

736
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,919
troutman zap opened for prince during

737
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:05,519
the controversy tour here you see a

738
00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:08,080
photo of roger with prince i've compiled

739
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:11,440
some of the wonderful posters on this

740
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:13,600
particular tour prince again was a fan

741
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,919
of dayton ohio funk he would

742
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:19,440
occasionally play more bounce to the

743
00:31:15,919 --> 00:31:22,799
ounce and sound checks after shows

744
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,799
throughout his career

745
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:35,600
in fact he played it as late as 2014 a

746
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:39,279
couple of years before he passed at a

747
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:41,600
show in london so i wanted to play two

748
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:43,200
songs one by prince and one by ohio

749
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,919
players so

750
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,640
if you listen closely you can hear the

751
00:31:45,919 --> 00:31:52,159
ohio player's influence on prince and

752
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,159
his music these two songs i think

753
00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:56,559
really show it

754
00:31:54,159 --> 00:31:58,960
like for me it's really obvious if you

755
00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:02,080
listen to this snippet of condition of

756
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:06,990
the heart from prince's album after

757
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:26,320
purple rain around the world in a day

758
00:32:06,990 --> 00:32:29,120
[Music]

759
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:34,200
and compare that to internet slash words

760
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:34,200
of love on ohio players skin type

761
00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:48,159
[Music]

762
00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:51,039
prince will cover over the course of his

763
00:32:48,159 --> 00:32:52,640
career usually during sound checks or

764
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:56,080
rehearsals

765
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:59,360
or after shows and sometimes even within

766
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,240
proper shows he would cover three songs

767
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,640
from

768
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,120
ohio player skin tight he covers skin

769
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,519
type the most it's like a toss-up

770
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,279
between skin tight and fire and love

771
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,399
roller coaster will probably be in the

772
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:13,519
third slot

773
00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:16,640
but he also covered shot turkey heaven

774
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:19,679
must be like this from fire he covered

775
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:22,000
fire and i want to be free what's

776
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:24,799
interesting about i want to be free is

777
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,760
that he really starts covering it in the

778
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:29,440
late 2000s up until towards the end of

779
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,279
his career

780
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,840
i think it's a song that was near and

781
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:36,679
dear to him and then from honey he would

782
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,399
play love roller coaster i was kind of

783
00:33:36,679 --> 00:33:41,440
surprised that

784
00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:44,640
prince never covered the ohio players

785
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:48,080
sweet sticky thing from honey but there

786
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:50,720
is a very short reference to it in the

787
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:53,360
concert film sign of the times that was

788
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,600
released in 1987 there's like these

789
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,760
narrative interludes throughout the

790
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,960
concert film and there's this love

791
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:04,440
triangle between prince greg brooks and

792
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,440
kat the dancer

793
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,520
so we're going to do some deep listening

794
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:14,639
for some covers what we're about to hear

795
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:17,280
is a snippet from a tour rehearsal for

796
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:20,079
diamonds and pearls prince isn't

797
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:23,119
probably at this rehearsal so you'll

798
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:25,280
hear levi cesar jr and others as well as

799
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:28,300
rosie gaines who's also from the bay

800
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:48,329
area in this version of skin type

801
00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:48,329
[Music]

802
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,919
now

803
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:53,119
i really wanted to leave this out but it

804
00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:55,839
exists

805
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:59,200
this is an album by carmen elektra

806
00:34:55,839 --> 00:35:01,280
carmen electra debut was on paisley park

807
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:05,280
records this album was produced by

808
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:08,280
prince and this song s t samples skin

809
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,280
types

810
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:24,610
[Music]

811
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:31,360
i don't think i understand what i'm

812
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:34,439
saying i'm never forced to approach

813
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,439
[Music]

814
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,079
this is

815
00:35:35,839 --> 00:35:41,880
during a one-off performance at princess

816
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:41,880
paisley park in 1995

817
00:35:45,350 --> 00:35:52,540
[Music]

818
00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:09,869
this is another paisley part performance

819
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:09,869
[Music]

820
00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:21,680
this is a version of skin tight during

821
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,880
the one night alone tour this was during

822
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:39,839
after show in 2002.

823
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:42,839
[Music]

824
00:36:39,839 --> 00:36:42,839
she's

825
00:36:44,590 --> 00:36:58,960
[Music]

826
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,040
this is originally a direct video

827
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,359
release in 2003

828
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:06,440
prince live at the latin this is still

829
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:13,839
during the one night alone era

830
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:16,480
[Music]

831
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:19,520
what was significant about this band is

832
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:23,920
that maceo parker was in the band you

833
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:25,680
can now get this dvd in the 2020 box set

834
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,400
up all night with prince the one night

835
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,960
and long collection earlier this year

836
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,599
the first complete unreleased album from

837
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:36,880
princess vault prince had this storied

838
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:39,599
vault where he would just show thousands

839
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:42,240
of recordings and earlier this year the

840
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:44,560
princess state released this wonderful

841
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:47,280
again complete unreleased album from the

842
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:50,560
vault entitled welcome to america it was

843
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:54,000
two lps one cd and a blu-ray and on this

844
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:56,960
blu-ray prince performs a fantastic

845
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,760
version of another dayton ohio-based

846
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,680
group lakeside's fantastic voyage it's

847
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,320
the next to the last song and if you

848
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:07,119
want to learn more about the record i

849
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:09,119
had a online virtual celebration in

850
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:12,720
august where we had four different

851
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:15,440
roundtables giving multiple takes so i

852
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:18,960
want to play you two different versions

853
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,240
of i want to be free this first version

854
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,360
is from

855
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:37,359
2008

856
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:40,640
[Music]

857
00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:43,280
the second version and the last cover

858
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:46,000
i'll play for you is i want to be free

859
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:50,200
on the welcome to america tour on the

860
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,200
charlotte north carolina stop

861
00:38:53,890 --> 00:38:57,080
[Music]

862
00:39:01,810 --> 00:39:05,300
[Music]

863
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:18,559
[Music]

864
00:39:23,170 --> 00:39:27,720
[Music]

865
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,720
ah

866
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:43,149
[Music]

867
00:39:47,380 --> 00:39:53,300
[Music]

868
00:39:54,560 --> 00:40:00,240
and i also want to play this very short

869
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:02,880
clip of philip bass author of the book

870
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:05,280
pour some water on me and he was

871
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,359
interviewed on front chronicles this

872
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,839
video is from the funk music hall of

873
00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:12,800
fame and exhibition sitters youtube

874
00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:15,200
channel the civil rights movement in my

875
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:18,640
opinion and that's what i write about

876
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:21,520
develop the stage for funk music

877
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:25,119
funk music is an expression of

878
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,800
freedom so coming full circle back to

879
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:31,119
prince's autobiography the beautiful

880
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:33,280
ones on page 35 he wrote quote if i want

881
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:35,680
this book to be about one overarching

882
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,240
thing it's freedom and the freedom to

883
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:41,520
create autonomously without anyone

884
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:43,520
telling you what to do or how or why i

885
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:47,040
would like to dedicate this talk to my

886
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:50,800
uncle eddie oliver jr who actually died

887
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:54,000
in dayton ohio in 1966 four years before

888
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:57,280
i was born and he was only 19

889
00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:01,200
and he also passed alongside his first

890
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:03,920
cousin rogers oliver jr and two of my

891
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,640
grandfather's brothers lived in dayton

892
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,560
we often had our family reunions either

893
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,560
in dayton or alabama we go back and

894
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,040
forth my grandfather was the only

895
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,880
brother that remained in alabama but the

896
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,640
reason why it's important for me to

897
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,839
dedicate this to

898
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:22,640
my uncle is that he was a musician his

899
00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:26,560
primary instrument of choice was drums

900
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:28,480
but he also played piano and i know in

901
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,119
my heart of hearts that

902
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:35,200
if he would have lived that he would

903
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:37,760
have joined one of the incredible local

904
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,440
dayton bands

905
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,520
i would like to personally invite you to

906
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:45,119
the five-year anniversary fundraiser for

907
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,480
the prn alumni foundation next saturday

908
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:49,280
online

909
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,760
tickets benefit the 501c3 nonprofit

910
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,240
founded by former prince staff with the

911
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,680
desire to continue his philanthropic

912
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:57,599
vision

913
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,760
the day will be centered around prince's

914
00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:02,240
acoustic album the truth

915
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,560
with one round table four talks and a

916
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:06,800
keynote with prn alumni directly

917
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:10,079
involved with the album including

918
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:13,280
bassist rhonda smith and guitarist kat

919
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:16,280
dyson thank you

920
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,280
thanksgiving

921
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:28,079
and i need to bring everyone up to date

922
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:29,599
on what's going to happen the lunch is

923
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:31,920
going to be served

924
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:34,480
and we're going to just have a couple of

925
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,319
questions here um with d'angela what

926
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,440
just can you wait just a minute please

927
00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:39,440
and then

928
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,960
while after you're seated and while

929
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,960
you're eating we're going to go into the

930
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,200
poetry because i don't want people

931
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,520
walking around getting food when we have

932
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,920
this famous these two well-known poets

933
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,640
here in our room uh to share some poetry

934
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,000
with us today from the time period of

935
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,640
the funk movement

936
00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:00,079
and i want to say um deangela that the

937
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:02,240
thing that warms my heart especially is

938
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:04,800
that an admis administrator because

939
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:06,880
she's associate vice provost at nyu an

940
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,720
industry professor in integrated design

941
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,920
and media in the tandon school of

942
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,240
engineering

943
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,560
that this person is talking about music

944
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,450
and the arts uh let's give her another

945
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:22,890
round of

946
00:43:15,450 --> 00:43:22,890
[Applause]

947
00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:30,160
let me applause it to the ohio player in

948
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,160
the house first

949
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:38,839
first i wanted to say it was it was the

950
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:42,000
most uh gratifying

951
00:43:38,839 --> 00:43:44,079
um exhibition of something that i hadn't

952
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,960
seen before and that's a lot of what

953
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:49,040
prince had an admiration for the band

954
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,800
it was overwhelming

955
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,880
uh the second thing i guess i should

956
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,119
have said this first i remember your

957
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,200
family when they passed away the oliver

958
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:59,599
family they they passed away on

959
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,599
germantown in fact the oliver family

960
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:03,599
went to highview elementary school i'm

961
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:05,839
very familiar with it family so i offer

962
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:08,079
my condolences even though it's been a

963
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:09,280
long time ago i remember that accident

964
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:11,680
quite well

965
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,440
roger went down and he had an accident

966
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,280
at that bonded filling station going

967
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,520
down germantown hill

968
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:20,319
so uh that that's very prevalent in my

969
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,400
history in my memory

970
00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:24,800
but yeah it was great to see this

971
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,520
presentation i never of course i'd known

972
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:30,079
that prince cover some of our songs

973
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,760
never once did i ever see him come out

974
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:34,400
you know doing i want to be free which

975
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,800
is one of my favorite songs likewise so

976
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,720
i really appreciate this presentation in

977
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,319
fact you're one of the reasons why i got

978
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:42,480
up this morning i had to see this

979
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:44,720
because it was in connection to do with

980
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,280
the ohio players and i never knew it was

981
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:48,839
such a close association so thank you

982
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:52,560
very much for your

983
00:44:48,839 --> 00:44:52,560
presentation you so much

984
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,480
thank you for acknowledging my family i

985
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,880
was hoping that someone would know the

986
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,280
olivers because there are quite a few

987
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,280
in there

988
00:45:02,319 --> 00:45:07,359
i have a quick question about the role

989
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:10,240
of patrice russian

990
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:13,040
on that 4u album

991
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:14,880
and i interviewed patrice russian

992
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:18,800
because i know that the label was sort

993
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:20,720
of bilines as performed played produced

994
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,480
as if there were no collaborative people

995
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:25,119
that worked with prince

996
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:28,400
on those projects i even asked about on

997
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:33,040
sexy dancer that piano solo that has

998
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:33,040
that patrice russian style run dun

999
00:45:34,319 --> 00:45:38,079
my understanding is that she was a

1000
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,079
part of doing some arrangements and

1001
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:41,440
played on some of these earlier songs i

1002
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:43,040
was wondering if you can comment on that

1003
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:46,240
too someone said

1004
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:49,359
i i'm sure that she did um you know she

1005
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:53,280
actually did reappear with prince around

1006
00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:54,240
the batman soundtrack era she was on an

1007
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,040
snl

1008
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,440
and

1009
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:00,000
prince often spoke very fondly of her

1010
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,720
and it and i and i knew that it had to

1011
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,400
have been like more than just like a

1012
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:06,480
a high school crush you know because you

1013
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,160
know um patrice russian is such an

1014
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,040
accomplished musician

1015
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,160
and

1016
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,560
with the

1017
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,720
musicianship that patrice has you know

1018
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,720
coupled with princess music musicianship

1019
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:19,119
i mean it totally makes sense i mean

1020
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,960
andre was also and that's one of the

1021
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,319
reasons why i i

1022
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,359
kind of concentrated a little bit on

1023
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:27,520
andre andre simone was also pivotal in

1024
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:29,760
the beginning and i'm sure there was a

1025
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,640
lot of stuff that he did that is also

1026
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:35,119
not credited um particularly on the the

1027
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,880
first three records um

1028
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:38,720
the prince's day earlier this year

1029
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,880
actually released

1030
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:42,720
a version of doomy baby

1031
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,480
that's different from the one that's

1032
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:47,440
released on controversy and they

1033
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:49,040
acknowledged that andre simone actually

1034
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,119
wrote you know

1035
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,440
it had a lot to do with doomy baby and i

1036
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:54,960
thought that was incredible but one of

1037
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,119
the things that i really tried to do

1038
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,560
with this particular presentation

1039
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:02,240
is is really

1040
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:04,240
showcase how prince um really came up in

1041
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:06,560
the band and

1042
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,640
like it was just kind of funny how he

1043
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,800
was

1044
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:13,440
he was really promoted and marketed as a

1045
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,760
solo artist when at his root he was

1046
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,520
really a band you know like he he wanted

1047
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,240
to be a part of the band and you can see

1048
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,359
that from all the band incarnations that

1049
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:23,599
he had

1050
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:25,839
um the only time that he really went

1051
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:27,760
back to being prince was um during the

1052
00:47:25,839 --> 00:47:29,760
summer times era with that band with no

1053
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:32,079
name and then at the very end

1054
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,160
um when he was on the piano and the

1055
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:35,520
microphone tour that was his final tour

1056
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,160
and it was just him

1057
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:40,720
literally a microphone and a piano and

1058
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:43,440
that are sort of the only two times

1059
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:46,160
beyond those first three records where

1060
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:48,079
prince was kind of built as himself

1061
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:51,359
another thing just

1062
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:53,680
to speak to not giving credit for the

1063
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:55,599
prince record which is second record of

1064
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,599
i want to be your lover

1065
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:59,520
and why you want to treat me so bad

1066
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:01,359
um they had actually

1067
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,079
filmed two different versions of that

1068
00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:06,480
video one where prince is playing

1069
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:08,559
all of the instruments in the video so

1070
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,760
the official video actually has friends

1071
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:11,440
playing all the instruments but they

1072
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,400
actually filmed another

1073
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,640
video where it was actually all the band

1074
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:19,200
like the touring band at the time but

1075
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:21,359
again warner brothers chose to

1076
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,319
sort of push and promote prince as a

1077
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:24,559
solo

1078
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:26,240
recording artist so while i didn't

1079
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:28,079
answer questions specifically about

1080
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:30,640
patrice because like a lot of the

1081
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:32,480
credits and is like you have to talk to

1082
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,040
the musicians themselves like you did

1083
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,640
with patrice to understand what was

1084
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,280
going on and because a lot of the

1085
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,720
credits on prince's records

1086
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,440
they're just like

1087
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:45,599
there's there's a lot of errors or

1088
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,680
misdirection he gives credit to people

1089
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:50,240
who did not write songs he didn't give

1090
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:52,960
credit to people who did write songs

1091
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:55,839
this is a lot of mysteriousness when it

1092
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:58,480
comes to the actual credits wow wow

1093
00:48:55,839 --> 00:49:00,960
thank you so much thank you so much um

1094
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,640
before we even shut this down to angela

1095
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,160
i want you to stay on there a minute

1096
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,400
first of all i want to thank diamond

1097
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,920
please not only i'm really glad you got

1098
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,599
up this morning you came came to the

1099
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,319
session but i really appreciated your

1100
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:14,480
being with us on thursday it was really

1101
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:16,079
really a wonderful session very very

1102
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,960
helpful and i'd like us all to give him

1103
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,960
a round of applause again

1104
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:26,720
also you need to know that we only in

1105
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,960
postponing this symposium three times we

1106
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:31,040
only lost one presenter

1107
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,280
to the um american musical no the

1108
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,520
theater theory professors their meeting

1109
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:38,000
too which set which conference would you

1110
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:40,240
want to go to the theory one or this i i

1111
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,000
think i know what my choice would be and

1112
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:43,760
so i want to thank the angela and

1113
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,040
everybody else here who is presenting or

1114
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:49,599
has presented um for hanging in there

1115
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,000
and coming back and putting making this

1116
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:55,960
thing work thank you deangelo and we're

1117
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,960
going to let you go now

1118
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,680
i want to explain what's happening um

1119
00:50:01,359 --> 00:50:05,119
after lunch we have

1120
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,680
dr catherine

1121
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:09,839
leo who's here and she will be talking

1122
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:13,680
about a topic we haven't talked very

1123
00:50:09,839 --> 00:50:15,359
much about and that's copyright and um

1124
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,119
i don't really know how things are going

1125
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:19,440
to go this afternoon except scott is

1126
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:21,680
going to finish up the conference for us

1127
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,280
with a little reflection what's going on

1128
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,440
with a couple of other voices in the

1129
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,359
room to share in that conversation

1130
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,040
unfortunately the dayton philharmonic

1131
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:31,359
screwed up their dress rehearsal

1132
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,040
schedule for tonight's concert and so i

1133
00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:35,680
have to leave here at two o'clock to go

1134
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,440
downtown to run that we're doing a run

1135
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,359
through then we're doing a concert

1136
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,559
tonight so i have to be there and i'm

1137
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:43,440
going to have to leave and i want to

1138
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:46,319
thank every single person here for being

1139
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,319
here thank you

1140
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,880
have some lunch